The YANKEES have reached the end of their fantastic 2017 season. And a great season it was, accomplishing more than any pundits and most fans expected. But not here at the WIN METHOD, where it was stated the YANKEES would make the playoffs and beyond, and where likely every WIN METHOD fan believed would happen. The YANKEES not only reached the playoffs, but they won the wild card game against the Minnesota Twins to advance to the American League Division Series (ALDS). In the ALDS the YANKEES had the Cleveland Indians waiting for them to play a best of five game series. The Indians won 102 games during the season and were looking to go back to the World Series where they lost in seven games last season. The Indians won the first two games and the YANKEES had their backs to the wall. You WIN METHOD fans, the smartest most intelligent baseball fans never gave up, you rooted your team on, never gave up, and the YANKEES themselves never game up as they went on to defeat the Indians in the next three games. An amazing comeback for the YANKEES. By winning the ALDS the YANKEES moved on to the American League Championship Series (ALCS) where they had the Houston Astros waiting for them. Houston won 101 games over the season and are a young developing great team. The ALCS is a best of seven game series and the winner goes to the World Series and the losing team ends their season. The Astros won the first two games of the series and the YANKEES again had their backs to the wall. The YANKEES never gave up and neither did you WIN METHOD fans. The YANKEES came back to win the next three games of the series. The YANKEES just needed to win one of the next two games in Houston to go to the World Series. The Astros had other thoughts in mend and they also never gave up and the Astros came back to win the two games in Houston and move on to the World Series. The YANKEE season was over. But the blooming and growing was just beginning. The 2017 YANKEES achieved more than the baseball world expected. The WIN METHOD fans were not surprised, WIN METHOD fans being the most intelligent and knowledgeable in baseball were well aware of what their YANKEE team could achieve as the youngsters started to bloom and grow.
Congratulations to the YANKEE players, coaches, management, front office, and ownership for allowing the YANKEE team to bloom and grow.
The off season has arrived for the YANKEES. Time to kick back, rest, relax, and do the things you want to do and the things that you don't have time to do during the season. Enjoy guys, you made you proud and your run is just beginning. During the off season the YANKEE front office will have many decisions to make regarding player personnel. No question the roster for 2018 will change, some new players will come and some will go. The YANKEES are in a position of great power having the best minor league system in baseball and many many players blooming and growing trying to make the 2018 roster and challenge veteran players. The front office has work to do, hard decisions to make, and make them they will.
On a side note, you the WIN METHOD fans, fans from all over the world have made it possible for the WIN METHOD blog, the greatest Yankee and baseball blog/forum in the world to surpass a quarter of a billion views. Thank you fans for your devotion and passion, for being smartest baseball fans that exist, and for standing up against stat frauds and their misguided fools view of baseball. This blog will continue without advertisements and clutter that fills every other site you may visit. I know, you visit them for laughs.
Have fun everyone in the off season. I will go out and find a few more WIN METHOD players to bloom and grow down the road. Spring training 2018 is going to be a lot of fun as the kids make their push for the majors, the brightest lights and the biggest stage in baseball, the New York YANKEES. Yes they can, and they will. Lets go Yankees.
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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1424 Newer› Newest»Stanton was clearly self evident. He wanted to be a Yankee. He refused to be dealt to other teams and he told Jeter who he wanted to play for. Voila!
WIN METHOD always stated afraud was a cancer. Right from the beginning.
I do not have to interview everyone. I have been around long enough and doing the WIN METHOD interview process long enough to know who to talk to.
Hope you keep posting more WIN METHOD. Love this blog and what you have accomplished.
To put things in perspective, WIN METHOD is golden while stat frauds are poison.
The one thing to always remember, individual stats do not make for the best players. Wins and winning makes for the best players.
That is the hardest thing for stat frauds to understand. They think individual stats equal wins. Producing when it counts equal wins no matter what you individual stats are.
Producing when it counts doesn't count for stat frauds. For them it is how much and or how many. If you lose, so what, the player is great.
In a year or two it is possible that Trout and Harper couldn't break into the Yankee outfield.
Fans blinded by individual stats are unable to see the difference between players who help their team win compared to players who don't help their team win.
There is an old saying, "I see said the blind man to his deaf daughter."
Saul Irving, the stat frauds think just because a player has very high individual stats he is helping his team. They think it is automatic so they value players in that way. If the player plays on a losing team, they blame the team. When a truly great player with lesser individual stats helps lead his team to great success, the stat frauds ingrained response is, it isn't the player it's his team. They want it both ways.
sid greenberg,nyc, players with high individual stats can be great if they help their team by producing when it matters. I think that is where the stat frauds go wrong. They seem to believe that stats are the end all to being great. Wins and winning is why baseball is played. A win is why every game is played, not how many stats can be achieved by any one player or even the team. Sometimes you need to score many runs to win a game and sometimes just a run or two can win a game. A ten run win is worth no more than a one run win. Winning 9-8, 2-1, 7-5, 4-2, 14-0, 5-1, etc are all equal to one win each. The only difference in each game are the stats. Stats tell what happened in a game not which player is best.
I believe that all these BS stats came about and got popular because of the brain dead fans playing fantasy games. They started to believe their make believe world was reality. Very sick puppies.
Deb F, I don't think all fans who play fantasy games are brain dead. Many are doing it for the competition and making money in the betting leagues. Using stats is the best way to play in the fantasy game cult. People who created some of these sites are making a lot of money.
To each their own.
Deb F
Haven’t people always looked at stats (basics ones - runs rbis etc, which btw are the only ones used in fantasy).
I know people here have made the argument that pitchers in the Hall of fame are there because of the amount of games they won, which I don’t fully agree with.
Let me pose a question - what is the basis for the position players? Isn’t it primarily the stats they’ve accumulated? There are a number of hall of fame players who have never won a World Series. How then are they considered the best by the merits of the Hall of fame?
In the real games it is when players produce to help their team win. In the fantasy games it is how much and how many players attain for themselves for their fantasy owner to win.
Steven, to answer your question. The HOF is ever changing, different voters over the decades, different ethnicities, era changes, rule changes, etc. Voters are constantly viewing the game differently. Voters are even voting for cheaters.
Jimmy
How is that answering the question? - you gave 0 examples of what the criteria has been or is for any era. Has the criteria for position players ever been wins? It doesn’t appear so.
Times change, many voters today are the dumb talking heads. Stats, Stats, and more stats, particularly the fake stats like WAR. Pitchers got into the Hall with 300 wins, hitters with 500 HRs. Along came saves and the new era of how voters look at players. Even voting for players who cheated the game for their own gain. It is what it is and there isn't much we can do about it.
Steven, there are no cut and dry answers. Voters voted for whoever they wanted to based on their own beliefs. The election rules are constantly changing. In the era of 8 teams in each league, there were great players on teams who finished 2nd and 3rd. Now if you finish 2nd or 3rd you can go to the playoffs. There were no playoffs in the 8 team leagues. I can't give criteria because there was none. Now there are old timers committees, black committees. You can be on the ballot for ten years and if you don't get in, their is the special committee. HOF is very subjective, and there are people who vote who probably should not.
Funny how simple it’s made out for pitchers (based on wins) versus how complicated it’s made out for position players...
While I agree HOF is certainly subjective, ultimately you’re just sidestepping the question. There’s never been a position player who has been inducted solely because of winning success, it seems there has always been a statistical resume’ supporting the players induction. So to my original point- stat use isn’t some modern thing due to fantasy, they’ve been observed and used since the beginning of baseball.
Yes, basic stat success has been used to value players for the HOF. For pitchers it was WINS, 300 and you are in. There was nothing like the WIN METHOD and then scout profiling of players for a most of baseballs existence. WIN METHOD was before his time and the WIN METHOD is the best there is to discover talent and is used by just one team. Others may have similar versions nowadays. There is only one best.
It is simple for pitchers because wins are what pitchers are paid for. The more wins a pitcher earns the better he is based much on win percentage. Only a handful of pitchers have won 300 games and how today's game has changed there may not be to many more.
Let me ask you a question. Why can't today's pitchers pitch every four days instead of five, pitch complete games more often and throw 120 pitches a game relatively consistently?
Probably two reasons:
1: They just aren’t used to it. They’re not brought up throwing that many pitchers through the minors or on that routine so their bodies just aren’t accustomed to it.
2. Pitchers are throwing much harder these days than back when pitchers did that. I would imagine that puts more stress on the arm and thus makes it more difficult throw as often. Probably why there’s an uptick in arm injuries as well.
What does this have to do with anything we were discussing?
One week into 2018 and the hot stove is not hot.
Steven, It has to do with everything. Times change for whatever reason and not always for the better. You do not have to throw 95-100 to get batters out. You can get batters out with good movement and throwing at their chin more. Now a pitcher throws inside a couple of times and he gets tossed. Things change and as I said not always for the better. Probably not in my life time, but do not be surprised if maybe things change back to pitchers throwing 120+ pitches again.
As far as hitters (position players) parks have become much smaller, ball is wound tighter (juiced) allowing for far more home runs by almost anyone.
Uh okay. It actually doesn’t have to do with anything, I wasn’t arguing against any of this, or even discussing it for that matter.
Steven, sure it does, everything is intertwined.
Stanley Chin, the owners seem to be rebelling after years of over paying.
The Hall of Fame is comprised of 319 elected members. Included are 222 former major league players, 30 executives, 35 Negro Leaguers, 22 managers and 10 umpires. The Baseball Writers’ Association of America has elected 124 candidates to the Hall while the Committees on managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players (in all of its forms) has chosen 169 deserving candidates (96 major leaguers, 30 executives, 22 managers, nine Negro Leaguers and 10 umpires). The defunct “Committee on Negro Baseball Leagues” selected nine men between 1971-77 and the Special Committee on Negro Leagues in 2006, elected 17 Negro Leaguers. There are currently 74 living members. By position, there are: 78 pitchers, 18 catchers, 23 first basemen, 21 second basemen, 16 third basemen, 25 shortstops, 22 left fielders, 24 center fielders, 24 right fielders, 23 managers, 10 umpires and 35 executives.
Thought this would add some context to the HOF discussion. 97 non MLB players in the HOF.
Interesting numbers. I think there is great deal of confluence of many categories.
It may be just me but I do not like umpires in the HOF.
Will there be signings this week or will the screws tighten even more on the baseball union thugs.
Seeing what Jeter and Sherman are trying to do with the Marlins, I can see the Marlins becoming a force in 3 to 4 years.
YankeeMike, it looks like Jeter is going the bloom and grow route.
Ted Lilly, that should be the route of every team. Just don't pay exorbitant and long contracts to FAs.
Just say no Cashman until you get what you want for what you want to give up.
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We don't need to trade for anything right now. Roll with our WIN METHOD youngsters who continue to bloom and grow.
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I saw on a site where the stat frauds used a fake formula adjusting pitchers value based on adjustments for ballparks and leagues. Fake formulas can only provide fake results for the use by the dumbest of fans.
Five weeks until Yankee pitchers and catchers report.
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Still cold hot stove.
Super news for Yankees. Astros and Pirates have reached a tentative deal sending Gerrit Cole to Astros.
Sweet news for Monty, Adams, Sheffield, et al.
Cole to Astros still not culminated yet.
Steve, I saw that garbage article also. More stat fraud garbage.
Astros owner refuting deal has been made. Come on guys, get it over with.
Now is the time for Cashman to swoop in. Give them Frazier and a tuna fish sandwich.
Looks like the hot stove was a false alarm today.
Nothing happening with Yankees. Some reports Yanks still interested in Cole and Darvish.
Lets go Yankees. The thought of the 2018 season is exciting.
Another day in the off season, again to major signings.
The question for the Yankees is, how good is Chance Adams? If Adams is a rotation pitcher, then there really is no reason for the Yankees to pay the piper for a Cole or Darvish.
I wouldn't pay Darvish at all. I don't want him. I don't think he is worth anywhere near what he is asking. Plus, he showed what he is made of in the World Series. Garbish was just a .500 pitcher the past two season, and will be 31 in 2018.
Cory, Garbish. roflol
No to Darvish. No reason to pay for what he accomplished 3,4,5 years ago before surgery and in his prime years.
Gerrit Cole is not a need for the Yankees. You do not give something of value for something you do not need. I give the Pirates a choice of any five players on the Staten Island roster, a Derek Jeter autographed game used bat, 1000 batting practice baseballs, and if they do not like it, let them take a hike.
George W....too much. Tops I would go is four players, no bat, but up the baseballs to 1200.
Why can't we all get along. Just give the Pirates Torres, Frazier, and Adams for Cole.
NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How cold is this winters hot stove? Posters are mocking trades. You gotta love it.
Yankee fans have so much to look forward to. This winter is boring. Can't wait for the spring competition. Then the season.
Yikes the humor on here can use some work.
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Anonymous..what subject?
Cole is off the table, thank goodness. Pirates traded him to Astros for very little value but a lot of controllable years. Yankees win that deal by still having better chips in Frazier and Adams.
Pirates and Astros trade completed. Cole to Houston for nothing of significance.
A great non deal by Cashman. Don't trade WIN METHOD talent for something like Cole.
With trades like the Bucs just made you can see why they have been to the playoffs just three times over the past twenty-five years.
Your Garbish is 31+ years old. Pitched like garbish last season. Imploded when it mattered most and likely cost his team the World Series. Why would any sane GM want to play him 20 million a year long term???? No offer from me.
Andy K, I think you nailed it. I think many teams would by now be sick of getting the short end of the stick on so many long term deals on players real close or already in declining years.
Throw in the fact that if the Yankees go after and get Darvish, they would have to likely get rid of a player of two to make room for salary to keep under the cap. Not worth the disruption to the team. Pass on Darvish aka Garbish.
I hope the Yankees don't get Darvish.
I see where pundits say the Yankees need to get a pitcher because Houston got Cole and in their minds improved themselves so the Yankees need to improve themselves.
First, Houston may not have improved their rotation with Cole. Second, the Yankees may have better pitching in house than what is available for far too much money.
Conclusion, the Yankees do not need to buy pitching.
Steve, The talking heads opinion is no better than anyone else's. In many instances their opinions are used to create controversy and ignite sponsors.
Hot stove season has finally warmed up the past few days.
Better yet, baseball is right around the corner.
The Yankees need Gleyber Torres to not be on the MLB roster for 16 days in 2018 to get and extra year of control over him. Easiest way is to have him start the season in Scranton, then move him up in mid April.
Four weeks fans, yes just 28 days and Yankee spring training camp opens.
If Torres becomes what we all hope for, the extra year of control becomes very valuable to the Yankees. So holding him back this season for that short of time would be a no brainer.
As we post about Torres and Andujar I get more and more excited for the season to start.
I go good news today. I will be coming to the States for two months this summer. Therefore I will get to go to some Yankee games.
Ben Rosen/Israel, Great, Enjoy some wins and the young stars.
27 days until spring camp.
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Winter wonderland here. Now saying my area may get 8 inches. Great snowman and snowball making snow. Schools closed today and tomorrow.
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If the Yankees do not move Ellsbury they will have Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Gardner, and Ellsbury. That sends Frazier to Scranton to play everyday. Three start and one is the designated hitter. One comes off the bench in any capacity needed. Every aspect of this is a plus for everyone involved. Mix and match against pitchers, four of the five play each game, rest for everyone. If someone gets hurt there is always Frazier in the wings who has been playing everyday and blooming and growing.
coryankee, Your post is the best analysis I have read regarding the Yankee outfielders is off season. Well thought out, common sense, and logical. I agree wholeheartedly.
Nothing wrong with five proven starting outfielders. 2 right handed, 2 left handed, 1 switch hitter.
I can see Ellsbury as a very effective role player for the Yankees this season.
Another day closer to baseball.
All our players should be in full swing getting ready to report to spring training in shape and only needing to hone their baseball skills.
By gosh, if any player does not come to camp in physical shape he should be docked salary until he is in shape.
Diane Stahl, and that should be written into every players contract. No ifs, ands, or buts.
26 days and the Yankees open camp.
Not much news from the hot stove.
Refresher for everyone and pertinent information for new visitors here.
YOU CAN'T BE THE BEST UNLESS YOU WIN. WINS AND WINNING DETERMINE THE BEST PLAYERS AND TEAMS.
It looks like there may be a pitch clock in baseball this season. What a waste, jerks trying to ruin the game.
Games have a flow and each game is different. Let the games be played at their own pace. No clocks, no controls dictated by fools.
I would say the only downside is that ellsbury is making 20+ milllion to be a part time player. That was not a great deal.
Steven, That is the problem with long term contracts. They are seldom if ever good after a certain amount of time. Many here have been proponents of a 3 year max and a 25 million per year max. There have been players who have gotten paid and didn't even play at the end of their contracts. Just have to live with it.
It has been reported the baseball players are completely against a time clock and a limit on mound visits. Good for them.
The baseball commissioner needs to stop fooling around with the 'grand old game.'
Without Ellsbury telling me he will waive his no trade clause, if I were Cashman I wouldn't bother wasting my time talking to other teams.
Keep Ells, chuck the clock.
25 days for the pitchers and catchers to open Yankee spring training.
Coming to the close of another ice cold hot stove week.
Down to 24 days and Yankee spring training begins.
I would love to see spring camps open and a whole bunch of FAs unsigned.
Players are paid far too much and that is passed on to the fans who then have to pay far too much to go to games.
But some fans say there would be no game without the players. Forgetting that the owners get stadiums built and are the people that allow for MLB to flourish. With all costs being equal and for arguments sake, lets say we cut every owners payroll in half and the owners then cut ticket prices in half and concession prices in half. The players will still get paid an awful lot of money and the ordinary real baseball fans will get to go to more games. Lets get back to one year contracts.
Free agency allows for any player to play for anyone who will pay him an amount and for a term the player is satisfied with.
I wonder how MLB would react to an owner (lets say Harper next season) agreeing to Harper and an owner agreeing to a contract where Harper gets paid 25 million per year for the next 5 years and 15 million per year for the next 5 years and then 2 million per year for the rest of his life.
Jack Gordon, I don't think that would be enough. The total dollars after sixty years would be 350 million. Depending on how baseball looks at and calculates AAV, it could be good for the team.
coryankee, my dollar amounts could be adjusted. I do wonder how baseball would look at what I am proposing.
Jack Gordon....From what I know the contract you propose is OK. Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid by the Mets and still has years to go before the contract expires. How AAV is calculated I am not sure, but I can't see how the years of non playing can be averaged in.
Guys, I think there would have to be an AAV calculation only for the years on the 25 man roster. Otherwise it would have been done before.
Yankeeforever, logical, but what if you want to sign a guy for a very low AAV (as in Harper) and give him only 10 million a year for all the years he is on the 25 man roster, and then pay him the same 10 million a year for another 30 years.
Victor
Cutting player salaries in half wouldn’t result in ticket prices and concessions being cut in half, not even close really. You’re not considering the fixed costs of running the stadium, and the other variable costs that have nothing to do with player salaries. Additionally I doubt the owners would cut ticket prices just because of reduced salaries - they’re going to set prices at whatever level is going to maximize revenues, this is a business. In your hypothetical the only people that would benefit are the owners - and the players would be hurt dramatically. Not sure why you’d want that.
Also on the Harper contract, - from the player perspective if you were going to extend a contract out like that, the player would demand a higher total dollar amount. Have to look at the present value of that contract amount. $350 million stretched out over 60 years is worth far less man 350 million over say 10 years.
Steven, The taxes the player has to pay on 350 million over 10 years is vastly greater than 350 million over 60 years. I agree on the first part of what you said. The owners at best cout only cut ticket prices by a little bit. But even a 10 percent cut would help the fans out a bit.
23 days Yankee fans. 23 days.
Steven, Heck, I'd take 350 million stretched out over 100 years and I could live like a king for the rest of my life and then my kids could also. How much to these people need? I have no issue with anyone trying to make as much as they can, but I also have no issue with any person paying the bills trying to pay as little as they can.
No trades Cashman. Stick with out youngsters. If we need something during the season, then make a move.
Just say no Brian unless you give up nothing for something of value.
Darvish is Garbish. Losing pitcher last season who imploded in the World Series. But, but, the stat frauds gave him a +3.8 WAR. Just more proof that sabermetrics are garbish. I don't want him, no offer, think Cashman.
Down to 22 days for spring training camp.
Hey there WIN METHOD fans. Hear is the thoughts of Jay Bell, Yankee minor league manager describing pitcher Cody Carroll using one of the prime tenets of the WIN METHOD on producing when it counts.
"“Jay Bell, Carroll’s manager while he was with the Tampa Yankees and Scottsdale Scorpions felt that the key to the righty’s success was being what he calls ‘effectively wild’.
This means that Carroll did not always have control of his pitches, but he knew where they were going when it counted.”
No question about it, it is more important to produce when it counts.
coryankee, I would hope that every manager in all of baseball knows that it is more important for any player to produce when it counts over producing how much and how many. Only the stat frauds with made up convoluted stats rate players highly for losing.
I just find impossible to believe that a starting pitcher with a losing record for the season can have an almost 4 game positive value from anyone. I can see a reliever with lets say a 1-4 record but may have 16 holds and 6 saves.
The non signings so far this winter is deafening and great. Don't cave owners.
It sure looks like another day of nothing baseball news.
Spring training should be really fun for Yankee fans. Stars that have bloomed and are still growing and youngsters looking to bloom and grow.
Hope the Yanks don't go for FA or trade starter. Want to see Adams and Montgomery.
Uh that’s not what effectively wild means chief
3 weeks fans. Just 21 days and the Yankees open spring training camp 2018 in Tampa.
Wouldn't it be nice to have spring camps open and a whole bunch of FA's not signed.
May 1st Yankee lineup?
1.Gardner lf
2.Judge rf
3.Gregorius ss
4.Stanton dh
5.Bird 1b
6.Sanchez c
7.Ellsbury cf
8.Torres 2b
9.Andujar 3b
yankeeclipper, really like the L/R stagger.
Thanks a lot for sharing this neat internet site.
Hasn't it been announced that Hicks is the everyday Center Fielder?
yankeeclipper, You could put anyone of the nine listed anywhere in the lineup and still look good.
Steven, I don't know about that. I would think he will need to earn it in spring training. It may come down to who doesn't get hurt and who has the better spring training and or who doesn't get maybe dealt. It sure is a nice problem to have.
yankeeclipper, I also like left right lineups. We are going to have a lot of good players sitting on the bench each day. This team is deep.
Patrick Healy...if everyone stays health and productive, all will get time off. Sweet problem to have.
We have five outfielders on the roster any of which who could be a starting outfielder on most MLB teams.
Fitting in with a left/right lineup is our outfield of 2 right, 2 left, and 1 switch hitting bats.
yankeeclipper, nice job. I see your lineup is for May 1st and not the season opener. Torres and Andujar even with stellar springs may be held back a few weeks so the Yankees gain another year of control over them. Also, thru the month of April good or bad months could make the May 1st lineup different.
Hot stove ice cold again today.
I read the names on the roster and the youth up and coming and I want the season to begin now.
20 days, 20 days, 20 days.
Spring camps are within three weeks of opening and there are many high profile free agents still not signed. Personally, I think it would be great for baseball if several FAs get signed for about half of what they were expecting.
coryankee >>>> I tend to agree. Players are getting paid far too much money. And contract for extended years are a joke on the owners. If a player does not enough confidence in his ability to go year to year or at max just a couple of years, the heck with him.
I hope Cashman does not do any deals right now nor sign any FAs either. Just let the kids prove their worth this spring. Give them full support and let them have at it. Yes they can and yes they will.
Lets go Yankees.
This spring the Yankees need to play more split squad games to even the lineups with the competition.
Barry West. Nice Barry.
It's strange that the general consensus is here is that players should get paid less. It's a very anti-player and pro-owner vibe. The less they get paid the more money goes to the rich owners. I'd rather the players get paid as they're the ones I'm rooting for.
And no - I don't believe players getting paid less would result in lower ticket prices. It seems you'd all be happy to see the owners get as rich as possible, just a very strange take I think.
Steven, I won't go on ad nauseum, but the owners take all the risk, just like all business owners. I can root for a player making one million, just as much as one making 20 million. Maybe even more.
How many of us get paid at our jobs 2,3,4,5,6,7+ years out? If I do well at my job I likely get a raise my boss wishes to give me. If I am not satisfied I can go somewhere else. I I do a bad job I may keep my job if I am lucky, or I could get fired. Players have been spoiled and catered to. I grew up in the 50's and only knew of year to year contracts.
Paul,
If you say so - the owners are making disgusting amounts of money as it is so I'm not entirely sure how risky their investments are.
I go to games and root for the players, not the owners, so I feel like my money should go just as much to them as it goes to the owners. I don't really like the anti-player vibe I get from many here.
Gus,
I mean you do realize athletics is completely different, a career in baseball can end in the blink of an eye, and is much much shorter than the average professional career. That's why the systems are in place. It's a mutually beneficial system mostly, the players bring fans to the stadiums making owners lots of money, and are awarded accordingly.
Steven, I buy a refrigerator/car/TV and the owner of the company makes the most money from the sale. The owners of all successful businesses should make the most money. If the business is not successful the owners go broke and the employees move on to another job. You have some sense of values.
Paul,
You just compared human beings to refrigerators, and are questionings my values. Interesting...
I value the players more than the owners, yes. I don't go to the ballpark to root for the Streinbrenners, sorry.
Steven, what would the players do if all the owners closed up shop?
Steven, human beings design, make, transport, and sell those refrigerators. Or are those people not equal to baseball players.
Guys, baseball players are like movie stars. They are special.
It sure looks like owners are tightening the purse strings this winter.
Paul,
Ok fine - and all those people are paid by their owners based on what their owners have determined their skills are worth and the value they bring to their organization. Same thing with baseball players no? Why should they be treated any differently.
Gus,
The owners and players would suffer financially equally by closing up shop, what's your point?
Steven, multi-millionaires don't suffer unless their ventures suffer. Players seemed satisfied with one year contracts before the unions came along and cost the paying folks a lot of money.
Steven, I agree, my point is they are getting paid too much, and as Harry pointed out, the worm may be turning a little
Paul,
And my point is that the market and owners have determined what their pay is. If the owners weren't benefiting substantially off them, they wouldn't value them as high as they have. You say they are getting paid too much based on what? That they're rich? You have no basis in reality. We as fans have shown their demand by coming to the ballparks to watch them play. Trust me whatever the players are making - the owners are making exponentially more, so I don't worry about that.
Gus - I wasn't suggesting they'd go bankrupt, but they're certainly making a substantial amount of money off baseball, and by losing that income, they'd be suffering to some degree.
Steven, when I was young, the World Series played all day games. Kids could watch games and baseball grew and grew. I could see a game foe a buck or two, even box seats, not anymore. Now business fund baseball with corporate suites, and the very wealthy able to buy the best seats. Concessions cost a fortune, etc etc. So be it.
I got an MLB subscription. I don't go to games anymore but I do watch every game be it live or recorded.
Steven, I bet you love the players who have cheated the game.
Gus,
I don't think that's changed because of the players though - if anything I would say it's the owners who changed that.
Paul,
That was pretty rude and unnecessary. You are incorrect, I don't. I just tend to side with workers/players more than owners on fair pay.
Steven, rude, not at all, just stated an opinion. I stand for the ordinary folks who cannot afford to go to the ballgames anymore.
Paul,
It seems it was a childish attempt at an insult since you lost a debate. If it was an "opinion" it was completely unfounded and poor judgment on your point.
That's fine - but as I said, it's not the players faults they can't go to games, yet you seem to feel they're the ones who should suffer.
Steven, by no means unfounded. We have a difference of opinion, no one won or lost. The players created a union and have created work stoppages. They are totally at fault. Yep, that is my opinion.
Steven, no the union changed that.
Steven, just my two cents. The players who cheated the game and help fill the ballparks with lies, made multi-millions of dollars off the fans.
Cal
The owners also benefited off them did they not? Many knowingly btw.
Gus/Paul
You can blame the union all you want, but the large multi-year contracts that the owners have given out, and have clearly gotten your panties in a twist, are not caused by any players union. The owners willingly gave those out to the players.
It's amazing to me how blameless you feel the owners are in setting ticket prices. Laughable actually.
Steven, the owners are in competition. They tried to outdo each other and then outbid each other, all as a result of the union. If they got together to prevent it, they would have colluded.
Steven, MLB allowed it all to occur, the powers that be could have stopped it all. I would have if I was in power.
Gus
You're blaming the union way too much as if it forced the owners hands with these huge contracts. Even with no union, owners would STILL be in competition wouldn't they? That's not a result of the union at all.
Steven, without doubt the owners would be in competition, but the contracts would be nowhere near what they are now in my opinion. It could all end now just by going to one year contracts. I remember the first $100,000.00 contracts. When players didn't perform, they got less money the next contract. The good old days.
Gus Papa, I agree. Year to year contracts for everybody.
19 days and Yankee camp opens.
After reading last night discussion here, everyone should remember. 1. That unless you are self employed where you take all the risk, you are also the owner and make all the money, then 2. You are employed by people who have created, built, and maintain businesses where you are employed and they take all the risk.
I believe that there are too many people underpaid for what they do for a living and there are too many people far overpaid for what they do for a living.
I think some people fail to realize how much risk there is in building a business. We never here about the people who fail but are quick to put down the risk takers who make it big and supply jobs for several people, hundreds of people, thousands of people, and hundreds of thousands of people. Sorry if anyone think I got off the baseball topic, but the baseball owners are owners in my statement.
Every time I come here to read this blog I am amazed at the great content and comments from so many contributors. Unquestionably the greatest baseball blog that exists.
The baseball commissioners office likes to meddle in everyones business and or likes to turn a blind eye to some issues. How about a spending limit for every team in baseball. The same limit for every team. Lets say 200 million. No team can go over, no ifs, ands, or buts. If a team wants to pay a player 30 million a year then they must fit the other 24 players into the 170 million left. The spending limit can be left open to debate. The lower the better. There would also have to be a minimum. Lets say 200 million is max, then the bottom may lets 75% of the 200 mil making the bottom 150 mil. If the cap is settled on at 160 mil the bottom would be 124 mil.
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will-i-am ... The players union would have a cow. Too bad.
I think many here are discussing what we can't do anything about and have no control over. We need real baseball soon. Going stir crazy.
Finally! The Milwaukee Brewers have lit up the hot stove acquiring Yelich and Cain.
Stay cool Cashman, even cold. No deals, we have what we need.
Many posters here believe the same. Let the youngsters have a chance, let them play. Bloom and grow.
18 days until sports is alive again and baseball returns.
I will rest more comfortably when Garbish and the others are signed by other teams.
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