Yes WIN METHOD fans, you have spoken, therefore the title of this blog post. BLOOM AND GROW. As 2016 nears its end, and the baseball winter meetings are held where deals are talked about and some consummated, and as the 2016 year concludes with the Christmas holidays, and the new 2017 year arrives and it will be a season for the New York YANKEES to BLOOM AND GROW.
After a couple of recent seasons of not making the playoffs, getting older as a team, disappointing the fans, dropping attendance, and overall down years, the YANKEES look like they may be going full bore at getting younger with many of their WIN METHOD selected youngsters being given a real chance to make the major league roster, make the team younger, make the team a contender more consistently and winning the World Series again. Time for the farm to bloom and grow.
The list of YANKEE prospects is very promising. Likely not all will make the major leagues, some may be traded away for a piece the YANKEE decision makers feel they need for a certain position. The best part however is they will all get the chance to bloom and grow and some will make a major impact on the YANKEE team this 2017 season as Gary Sanchez has done already in the last seven weeks of the 2016 season, apparently earning the starting catcher job for the 2017 season. Look for these names in 2017 and beyond, outfielders Clint Frazier, Aaron Judge, Blake Rutherford, Dustin Fowler, Billy McKinney, Mason Williams, Jake Cave, Trey Amburgery, and Leonardo Molina. Infielders Gleyber Torres, Jorge Mateo, Miguel Andujar, Wilkerman Garcia, Tyler Wade, Hoy Jun Park, and Kyle Holder. Catchers Luis Torrens, and Donny Sands. Pitchers Justus Sheffield, Domingo Acevedo, James Kaprielian, Albert Abreu, Dillon Tate, Chance Adams, Ian Clarkin, Drew Finley, Jordan Montgomery, Chad Green, Dietrich Enns, and Freicer Perez.
Do not forget, Greg Bird returning in 2017 after missing 2016 with major shoulder surgery, other youngsters who have been placed on the 40 man roster or have seen some major league experience, Johnny Barbato, Richard Bleier, Giovanny Gallegos, Domingo German, Nick Goody, Ben Heller, Ronald Herrera, Johnaton Holder, Brian Mitchell, Yefrey Ramirez, Luis Severino, Kyle Higashioka, Rob Refsnyder and Tyler Austin. There are so many with so much potential.
Some of these guys will become big names, some lesser names but yet accomplished major leaguers, some roll players that help make the team as best it can be,and some dealt away. Bloom and grow. We wish them all healthy and fruitful careers wherever their career takes them.
Also, look forward to a very special day in 2017. Mark your calendars, Sunday, mothers day, May 14th against the Houston Astros, the YANKEES will retire the greatest ever WIN METHOD players number 2 Derek Jeter. May the YANKEES be so blesses that as the youngsters bloom and grow we have another in the mold of Derek Jeter, the best and greatest major league baseball player in the past three decades.
Never forget that wins and winning always defines the best players and teams in the real world while individual stats and make believe made up formulas created by the foolish stat frauds are only for their fantasy games and fantasy world.
LETS GO YANKEES! BLOOM AND GROW
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Attitude is the separation that determines doers from losers. If you think you can't, you won't. If you believe in yourself and try, the boundaries are limitless.
Also, even if you think you can, if you do not put in extra effort and push yourself to be the best, you will just be average.
My hope is what WIN METHOD spoke of, I am looking to see Rutherford bloom and grow. I seen him in florida and he looks like a natural.
Lets go Yankees.
I will freely admit, stat fraud fans are amongst the stupidest in the world.
Guy Padikian, there is absolutely no doubt about that. Dumb as rocks, with my apologies to the rocks.
I love this blog and the great humor.
Basically it is the positivity of winning over the negativity of losing.
Wins is the only stat that determines who is best. Always has, does now, and always will.
I am covered with snow. Beautiful.
You have to give Cashman credit, he has made some excellent deals that is building hopefully (hopefully depends on how the players produce when it matters) a great evil empire again.
Many stat frauds want the Yankee to trade for a mediocre at best starter Jose Quintana 46-46 lifetime. We let much better go in Ivan Nova who is 58-41 lifetime. What ignorant fools stat frauds be. Letting Nova go opens up a spot for our bloom and grow multitude of youngsters. Why in the world would you want garbage like Quintana blocking them?
Sadly to say the stat frauds do not believe in wins and winning. They rate pitchers on their values and think that their values are better than wins and winning. They honestly believe that their pitcher with better stats that they live by is better than a pitcher that defeats their pitcher hands down with a superior W/L record. The stat frauds cannot defend their stats except by lying and trying to claim that their stats are more telling than winning.
Can't a pitcher be winmethod for one team and not for another?
We traded for eovaldi when he had an under .500 record no?
Steven, positively. That is where WIN METHOD does his thing.
So then why are you so sure that Quintana isn't a fit? There have been rumors of the Yankees showing interest in him.
Steve...WIN METHOD doesn't make any deals or trades. He gives his findings to Hal Steinbrenner and then Hal tells Cashman to try to get the player or to forget about him. Steinbrenner gets info from several sources.
Steven, just my opinion. On the other hand, if Quintana is a fit maybe they want more than Cashman wants to give up for him. I would think Cashman would have to explain that to Hal if that is the case.
The Yankees try to get involved in almost any FA even if they have no intention of trying for them, just to try to jack up the price someone may have to pay.
bigbadwolf, don't the Yankees get involved with more than just free agents?
Lou...Yes, I should have mentioned that. They do get involved with trade available players, but not everyone of them.
That's why some very brilliant people in all walks of life have come from some very small colleges and universities. Some real jerks can come from some of the high rated schools. Job interview should separate the cream. A great job interviewer should be vital to the best organizations. What is inside people, their makeup, desires, beliefs, etc are more important than other things.
Great read the last bunch of posts.
Blooming and growing people, blooming and growing.
Nova won under the lights and on the stage of New York. Quintana came on in 2012 for a winning team and since then they have been a losing team with him.
Yanks23245, but but but Quintana was a .500 pitcher.
WIN METHOD fans take note. The stat frauds can't ban us here, they have no defense for their feckless views, so they rarely post here. Gutless frauds.
Lets win it all this year. Lets do it. Yes we can.
We are going to have one heck of a spring training squad next month.
jimbo, I think your opinion on what some people think about wins and winning is telling, in that they have been indoctrinated with fantasy world games which are not compatible with the real world outcomes of baseball.
Therefore it is safe to say the stat frauds live in a fantasy world regarding the evaluation of baseball players and who are the best players.
Any time anyone uses man made convoluted formulas with created values given them by the people who compose them, they are using useless, meaningless, methods to evaluate talent and or performance.
I know that when I discuss baseball with different folks, that when any of them start spewing WAR, defensive metrics, spin ratio, exit speed, etc, I quickly realize I am talking with a fool who has been misled by bigger fools.
Yes people, the stat frauds detest wins. Because wins kills and defeats their lies every time.
Getting back to Cashman. So far so good, don't give away the kids.
Cashman is pretty sharp, I give him credit for how he does his job.
As long as Cashman is able to get the guys WIN METHOD tells Hal are OK, I concur.
With all this talent, just think how good our minor league teams will be.
Ziggy, true, both with hitters and pitchers. Depth.
I just want the Yankees to win, make the playoffs and advance as far as possible.
Tom Loughlin, lets go all out and win the World Series. Bloom and grow.
Who will rise to the top?
Jimmy Thames, that will be the fun of spring training.
I have been a Yankee fan for a long time now. Can't get to any live games anymore, but watch whenever I can.
You have posted here for many years now Ben. Thank you for you insight and opinions. Wish you well.
Five weeks until spring camp opens.
Lets go Yankees.
It has been reported that Tyler Austin has been working out extra hard in order to arrive at camp ready to earn a major position with the Yankees.
Gardner and Ellsbury should remain at the top of the lineup.
With the power bats behind Gardner and Ellsbury I wouldn't be surprised to see both of them have solid seasons.
The biggest single upgrade for the 2017 season is not having afraud (the black hole) in the lineup.
Hear hear Hector. That alone may add 5+ wins to the season.
Cashman mentioned that he feels 99% sure as of now the Yankees will likely start the season with the pitchers they have now.
Ride the bloom and grow wave Cash, ride the bloom and grow wave.
Me too. Stick with our youngsters.
Lets win this year for George.
Yankees GM Brian Cashman suggested in an appearance on the YES Network that his organization is all but done with its off season roster moves. Very good.
Keep the powder dry Cashman, you have the cavalry on the way.
Castro and Gregorius had good years in 16. They make for a solid middle infield combo. Two more nice past acquisitions by Cashman.
For 2017 we have upgraded at catcher, likely first base, overwhelmingly at designated hitter, so that is three spots, possibly right field. Right field surely defensively and maybe even hitting.
Time to bloom and grow in getting closer.
afraud gone is the key to success.
The battle among the pitchers to make the rotation should be royal.
Let those rotation spots be earned by performance and not tenure.
Bud Light..that would be refreshing.
Any youngster who proves he can perform at the ML level should be played.
Most all players who reach the major league level have a very high degree to talent. The desire that is in each may be said is what determines who becomes the best of the best.
Desire is what helps differentiate how high people rise in their careers. No different in baseball.
Explains why so many high individual stat players don't help their team to championships.
It's the same old, same old fact. Individual exploits make a player look good, but he is not as good as his counterpart that helps his team win the World Series.
Hope all our players are limbering up for spring training and are committed to the season.
It has been reported that Clint Frazier has been working very hard this winter and his goal is to make the Yankee roster before the season is over.
Bloom and grow.
I bet Frazier is not the only one going all out right now to hit camp ready to roll.
Wouldn't it be great if the new regime of Yankees is able to make the Yankees great again. Bloom and grow.
With the addition of Sanchez, Judge, Austin, the Yankee lineup got longer. Now throw in Bird to the mix and it just makes the other guys better by seeing better pitches.
Each youngster that earns a position makes the team a little bit better. Enough little bits makes for a big bite.
Ah yes! so many posts that are so positive. Lets bloom and grow.
Not only bloom and grow, but win, win, win.
Remember Jeter gets his number retired in May. Sell out the Stadium.
If the kids produce in 17, the Yankees will not have much trouble selling tickets.
Teena, are you going to the Jeter game?
I would just love to see a few of the young pitchers develop right into the rotation and win consistently. And wins are all that matters or counts in the real world.
All WIN METHOD fans and all new comers here, please go back to this 2011 blog post from WIN METHOD. It is irrefutable in its point comparing wins and meaningless stats.
http://winmethod.blogspot.ru/2011/10/win-method-wins-determine-best.html
What scares me about stat frauds is that they would rather have a pitcher that is 10-15 with a 2.40 ERA over a pitcher with a 20-5 record and a 4.90 ERA.
Comment in there, most flawed way to evaluate how a pitcher will perform in the future is looking at their current year W-L record. Sure the 4.90 ERA guy had a better year, but the 2.40 ERA is HIGHLY more likely to perform better in the future.
Don't be surprised if catcher Kyle Higashioka makes inroads this season.
Alex Antonius, I think unless something happens to either Sanchez or Romine before the season starts, Higashioka will start in AAA. If he has blow them away spring training, the decision for management becomes difficult. No matter, still another good problem to have as a team that is about to bloom and grow.
No Steven, wins are the best way to look at pitchers and their ability to help your team.
Steven, you scare people with your craziness. A pitcher who wins at a good rate is the kind of pitcher any team should want over any other pitcher with any other stat you care to use. Do you understand the object of the game is to win, not to see how hard a guy throws, how many K's a pitcher can attain, how few hits or walks a pitcher allows, how low a pitchers ERA is, how many different pitches a pitches has, how good his control may be, but does he win. If a teams staff can win at a rate in the high 50% rate, the team will likely make the playoffs. Nothing else matters unless you desire to be thought of as an idiot.
Yankeeforever, what you stated is exactly how stat frauds earned their name and reputation. They deny wins and laud their garbage. What a boatload of Barbara Streisand. In the future so and so will be better. MAYBE! If! BUT!
bigbadwolf, that 2011 article by WIN METHOD is so telling. Just the fact that every series the team who scored less was the winner is stunning and so telling of just how important when it counts and when it matters is. Stat frauds like to throw around outlier or anomaly. The only outlier or anomaly that can be associated with a stat fraud is when one of them is right about something.
White Knight, bingo, you hit the stat fraud nail on the head.
i would think the Yankees would rather let Higashioka play full time in the minors than backup Sanchez.
I agree Guy. If the Yankee don't trade Romine, I can't see them sending him to the minors.
Yes, it is going to be an exciting competitive spring training.
Wins alone are a poor predictive stat, thus it's a poor way to evaluate how a player will perform in the future. Nuff said.
Only thing pitcher can control is how many runs he allows.
The good news for a winter Saturday morning, 4 1/2 weeks to spring training camp opening.
Steven...again you are wrong. There are and have been countless ML pitchers who have been consistent winners throughout their careers. And they are usually the very best pitchers and that is because the win. You have an amazing grasp for the inane as do so many stat frauds who think the 10-15 pitcher is better than the 20-5 pitcher.
Steven said """""Only thing pitcher can control is how many runs he allows."""""
I wonder how Stevens pitchers feel when his infield turns a spectacular double play to save runs, or his outfielders race into a gap or corner and making a diving catch to save runs, or his outfielders leap over the outfield fence to take a home run away and save runs???????
I wonder if Steven thinks about how stupid he sounds when he makes his stat fraud posts???????
Karl R...stat frauds aren't wise enough to know how stupid they are when they spew their bilge.
http://winmethod.blogspot.ru/2011/10/win-method-wins-determine-best.html
This is the blog post bigbadwolf posted a few days ago. Everyone please read. Any stat frauds please defend.
Gil
Those consistent winners have other good stats that support why they were able to win, there are no consistent winners that had ERAs in the 4s and 5s.
Karl - So you don't believe that the runs a pitcher allows are somewhat in their control? What are you arguing exactly.
Please embrace me with your "wisdom".
Again - wins alone don't help you predict about how a pitcher would perform in the future. Who would you rather have on our team next year - Tanaka or Jason Hammel. Please note Hammel won more games last year.
The Yankees over the next two seasons have a great opportunity to bloom and grow at possibly every position.
Steven, Jack Morris was a big time winner and three time WS champion with a career 3.9 ERA meaning he easily allowed over 4 real runs per game. I thought of him off the top of my head, I am sure their are many others. Every pitcher allows more runs than his ERA allows for over eachs career thus making ERA fools gold.
I think Karl explained very clearly how a pitchers defense play from his team mates has a major impact on how many runs he allows. Do you have difficulty understanding that?
Tanaka won just one less game than Hammel but lost six less thus helping his team more than Hammel helped his team. I have no problem with any of may starters pitching .600 ball over the season as Hammel did. Tanaka just happened to pitch .778 ball. Duh!
I think Jimmy Thames post speaks volumes.
Steve,
I'd like them to ask the questions addressed, it becomes to difficult to have a conversation when everyone jumps on with different opinions, which is apt to have here. Please also look at Jack Morris's best most consistent stretch of pitching (83-87), and you'll see his ERA was consistently in the low 3s. Just look at his worst years and you'll see that his ERA was very often high.
Here's my issue - you judge a pitcher based on wins yes? Obviously there is a TON out of the control of a pitcher during a game that leads to a win. However, you still judge a pitcher SOLELY by this.
However when I suggest that a pitcher can only really have control of the runs he allows (and yes, I acknowledge there are still certain things out his control), your argument is that it's dumb to judge them on this because the defense plays a part?
You can't have it both ways.
Oh and Steve, since you wanted to through in a snarky "do you have difficulty understanding that?", do you understand that a pitcher has a great deal of control over the amount of runs he allows and literally no control over how the offense performs?
Steven, I only have it one way. To be the best you have to win. To win a pitcher can allow 8 runs when his team scores 10 runs and allow 2 runs when his team scores just 3. That will make for a meaningless 5.00 ERA, but it also makes for 2 wins and 0 losses. Wins is why the games are played and wins measure the best of the best. Just one way.
Great, same answer you always have, refusing to acknowledge the point I'm making. If you can't see the inherent flaw of using a team statistic (wins) to judge one player entirely, then that's on you.
The pitcher has no part in the 10 runs the team scored, and when he allowed his 8 runs did not know that they'd be scoring those runs.
Steven, same answer because facts are facts, and the facts are the goal in baseball is to win. Wins determine the best. Wins are also a pitcher statistic and the more the pitchers on a team win the more the team wins in total. Your point is wrong and corrupt.
Why do you assume a pitcher doesn't pitch to the scoreboard. You assume to much.
Steven, it makes no difference what other stats winning pitchers have. Other stats can be an assorted mixed bag of any of the many stats the frauds like to cite. The goal is for the pitcher to win. He does that most often and he does his job no matter what any other stat you believe in is.
Deb F, so true. We have Sanchez at catcher with Higashioka in the wings, we have Bird and Austin at first base, we have Mateo and Torres for the infield, Judge, Frazier, Rutherford for the outfield and a cavalry charge for mound positions.
It is conceivable that in 2018 every position could have a name that was not on the roster at the all star game break last year.
Steven personifies exactly how stat frauds think and where they are coming from.
Steve, I think you are beating a dead horse when you try to lead Steven into the light.
White Knight.. are you suggesting Steven is a heehaw?
Peanut gallery who chimes in. You ruin any meaningful debate on this blog. A blog that doesn't encourage conversation and challenges, is a sad, boring place.
Steve - My only point, and please try to understand this, is that looking strictly at wins is a poor predictive tool of how a pitcher will perform in the future. Simple logic, pitchers who consistently put up scoreless innings, are going to have a better chance at winning more consistently. You keep refuting that with "wins are most important", but I'm not really even arguing against that.
Your reading comprehension, at best, is very poor.
Steven, stat frauds are unable to have meaningful discussions. You post you are not arguing against wins are the most important in one breath and then argue other points that you think are more important. There is no stat more defining as wins. Wins define every game and every player throughout their career. You seem to think a pitcher with a 3.50 ERA and a 150-140 record is better than the pitcher with a 180-110 record and a 3.80 ERA. You mention scoreless innings but do not realize one bad inning could mean the game. Eight scoreless innings is fine but giving up six runs in the one other inning may very well mean a lot more losses than wins.
Not at all what I think johnsondc, I think looking only at W-L of a pitcher alone doesn't give a full picture for how they will do in the future.
But go ahead and keep not acknowledging that. Keep resorting to the sad tactic of putting words into my mouth.
Also, your example isn't really what I'm getting at. I'm referring to giving up less runs consistently game after game. 6 runs in a game would be bad. Pitchers who can reduce run scoring and not give up big innings on a consistent basis are going to put themselves in a better position to win games. Do you really not agree with that?
Steven, At the end of a players career wins and losses define their ability (more so win loss percentage would be most accurate). A kid can come along throwing 95+ consistently, strike out a high percentage of batters all while moving through a teams system. All eye candy and great to talk about and almost everyone will and does. BUT, unless he wins in the big leagues it all is meaningless which it is. You win at a high rate in the majors over your career and you are one of the best, nothing else matters, that is what you seem to be unwilling to accept. How many pitchers with losing careers are in the HOF?
Steven, you can give up two runs in each of three innings and throw six scoreless innings and get the same result. Pitchers have to perform under all kinds of situations, those who deal with those situations the best will win the most.
Gus Papa, the Yankees are going thru a great bloom and grow spurt.
Steven said...Peanut gallery who chimes in. You ruin any meaningful debate on this blog. A blog that doesn't encourage conversation and challenges, is a sad, boring place.
No one gets banned here for speaking the views. Can't say that about the corrupt talk forums.
Johnsondc
I want to make this perfectly clear, because intentionally or not you're clearly trying to spin what I'm saying, and refusing to address the points I'm making. I am not discussing evaluating a players career, the HOF or anything. I'm making these points (and hate that I have to repeat then to you 3 times over).
1. Looking at a pitchers regular season W-L record by itself for a season, is a poor way to evaluate how that pitcher will perform in the FUTURE. A big reason why being...
2. Pitchers are able to consistently keep runs off the scoreboard better than other pitchers on a game by game basis put themselves in a better position to win games.
So the questions for you are simple:
1. Do you believe that looking at a pitchers w/l record alone is the best way to evaluate them for the future? I think the Yankees GM would say no, as would I- but what say you?
2. Do you think consistently keeping the other team from scoring is not a good quality in a pitcher? Do you think that has no relevance?
YankeeMike
Then embrace some one who takes the other side rather than attack them. You lean on the no ban thing as a crutch, but you are as dismissive to a different opinion as they are in other forums.
The immediate name calling here is also a childish habit that many of you share.
Steven, there is no question that pitchers who had a good win loss record in 2016 are likely to have good win loss record in 2017.
Yes, giving up less runs is a good quality, but no where as good a quality as winning games.
You have answered question 1 - is looking at only a pitchers W/L the best way. Or is looking at the W/L record along with other data a better way? You're still not addressing the question head on.
Question 2 you did address, thank you. Now seeing that's a good quality, would you say there's any connection to being able to consistently keep the other team from scoring and being able to consistently win games?
Steven, not really because you can earn a win no matter how many runs you give up, score permitting of course.
Fair, I disagree and think there's certainly a connection there.
You're refusal to respond to question 1 is weird. But hey, I can't force ya.
Btw to all the people who got real geared up and jumped on me, these were the points I was making the whole time. Not nearly as outlandish and you made it seem. Your intolerance seemed to get the best of you.
Steven, re question 1. I thought it was irrefutable that by far win loss record is the best way to rate pitchers. You can look at anything and everything else. W/L is the only thing that defines the best of the best.
Cool, I'm done asking. I don't know if can't comprehend. We're not talking about rating past performance, we're discussing projection future performance. You're almost impossible to have a discussion with since you evade the questions.
Steven, petty name calling is a very good release in letting people know how you feel. Holding back, and being kind and sweet does nothing but encourage poor opinions. But it is far better than banning people for their opinions. Everyone gets to speak their piece here.
Steven, Let me jump in and pose a question and followup for you.
1. If you had to play a season and had a choice of two pitchers. A. Goes 22-4 with a 3.60 ERA or B. goes 14-12 with a 2.75 ERA. Which one do you want.
2. Based on their records in question 1, which one do you want for the next season. A or B.
YankeeMike - treating people with respect and letting them express their opinion is what I prefer. But stick to your name calling if that's how you like to treat people.
Victor - I would look at more than ERA, but if I had to acquire one it's be the 2.75 ERA guy. That's with acknowledging pitcher A had a better year. I think pitcher B is more likely to win more than A the next year.
The only thing pitchers have any control of is preventing runs. Wins take much more, involves relievers coming into games, hitters getting timely hits, etc. it's very hard to me to use a full TEAM stat in evaluating how a single player performed. You end up bringing in a number of things completely out of his control. How would you feel if you worked your butt off while the rest of your team underperformed, and you all ended up receiving the same evaluation?
Steven, you ask a question, you get a response, you don't like and don't accept the response, you then whine.
To clarify I suppose - is obviously want the 22-4 pitcher for that year, but the 2.75 guy for the future
Victor G....I don't think Steven will take the big winner. It would defeat his agenda and go against the stat fraud doctrine.
Johnsondc
Your response doesn't address the question. Sorry your upset that I call you out on it. Certainly not whining in any way.
Steven, my response does address the question. You don't like the response and that is on you.
Steven, how would you like it if you went 22-4 and didn't get a pay raise while the 14-12 guy did? We can go around in circles forever, but common sense logic usually rules the day. Wins is common sense logic.
After all the discussion, debates, and opinions, things never have change since the beginning of baseball. To be the best you have to win. That has been true before the stat frauds and now during stat frauds with their made up formulas and flawed beliefs.
Steven, you can easily talk about players if you wish to instead of always trying to attack the number one player evaluation tool in the world, the WIN METHOD.
Jill
Where am I attacking that? I'm not even discussing it...
Steven, When you state wins is not the best evaluation tool for pitchers.
Who do you think will in the Yankee opening day starting lineup and who will be in the five man rotation?
Jill Byrnes, I commend your faith in getting Steven to discuss reasonably, but he seems to want to see things thru the stat fraud blinders. When he stated he would rather take a pitcher who was 14-12 over the pitcher who was 22-4 for the next season because of ERA, you learned all you need to know.
Jill Byrnes...My choices are Gardner, Ellsbury, Judge, Headley, Didi, Castro, Bird, Sanchez, Holiday. Rotation Tanaka, Pineda, CC, Severino, Montgomery.
The fraud of the ERA. A pitcher gets the first two outs in an inning, then a fielder makes an error allowing a man to reach base. The pitcher allows two walks, two singles and a home run to the next five batters before getting the third out. How many runs are unearned and how many runs are earned. Sadly, the pitcher is not charged with any earned runs and all six runs are scored as unearned. I am calling fraud on the pitcher and his ERA and the people who think ERA defines pitchers.
Just to set the record straight and deal in facts. ERA does not determine if a pitcher wins a game or not. To earn a win a starting pitcher must pitch well enough to allow less runs than he gives up before leaving the game after pitching at least five innings.
Eddie - glad your not our GM, I'd like to see who Cashman agrees with between you and I. You'd pick the 22-4 pitcher for what reason? Because you feel he just "knows how to win"? You're using the assumption that he pitchers to the score in this case, which I was recently told was a foolish errand.
Jill:
Lineup should/will most likely be (though not in this particular order):
Ellsbury
Gardner
Sanchez
Holliday
Bird
Judge
Gregorious
Castro
Headley
I think that's pretty cut and dry, I don't know what that has to do with anything really...rotation something along the lines of:
Tanaka
Pineda
CC
The last two spots are going to be some mix of Montgomery/Cessa/Green/Enns. This is probably a true competition and I don't have any particular preference at this time. Again not really sure what this has to do with anything we've been discussing though. Do you agree?
Steven, You complained about the discussions here. I only changed the subject to get away from your obvious disdain for winning pitchers.
You named the exact same nine starting lineup as Ty Keel did. So you agree with someone here. But only named three starting pitchers and offered a competition for the next two spots. Nothing wrong with that and you are more than likely correct. Did you leave Severino out on purpose or do you not give him a chance to be a starter?
"disdain for winning pitchers" - please show me where I show any of that. That couldn't be further from the truth.
I'm not trying to just butt heads here, but people are allowed to have different opinions. You all seem to hate anything that isn't completely in line with your opinion.
I mean I technically named 7, I think the last two spots are open competition. Nope, that's my bad - Severino is definitely in the mix as well. If he continues to struggle in the rotation he could be a strong bullpen pitcher, hopefully he uses his change up a little more, it's very difficult to be a two pitcher SP (which is basically what he was last year, and struggled).
Steven, I think anytime a person would prefer an average .500 or slightly above over a .700+ pitcher silly.
Many have different opinions, but some appear outlandish as are many of yours. ERA is one of the most flawed stats, yet you seem to adhere to it.
Jill
Looking at a pitchers wins alone is a flawed way of evaluating how they'll do in the future.
Also it's not just ERA I adhere to, I think wins, era, whip, strikeouts and a number of other stats should all be looked at together. Using all the info available gives you a better picture. Trust me, when the Yankee organization evaluates pitchers, they look at everything- not just wins.
Don't think there's anything outlandish about it.
Steven, On the other hand I think it is far more foolish to take an average pitcher over a big winner. I prefer wins over ERA or other pitching stats. A proven winner is hard to find, average pitchers are a dime a dozen.
Steven, I agree there are plenty scouts in the Yankee and every organization that look at all the things you mention. However the Yankees tend to draft and or sign WIN METHOD selected players. Those are players who WIN METHOD feels will help the team win, which is the desired outcome, winning, nothing else.
I prefer winning more than anything.
Steven, do you think any of the other rookies will make the 25 man roster for opening day?
Phil Jenkins, I think only a pitcher or two may crack the roster to start the season depending on their spring training showing. It looks like position players may be set barring injuries or trades.
Possibly some bullpen arms. Unlikely for position players:
Frazier could use more time at AAA, and honestly doesn't have a place to play at the moment anyway. He's not gonna be brought into the Majors to sit on the bench.
Torres hasn't even had AAA experience yet, and again doesn't really have a spot in the infield at this point. I'd rather they didn't rush these guys based on a good spring training, I'd like for them to be 100% certain they're ready.
Steven, I agree, but I hope one of the kids cracks the starting rotation. You never know what the future holds as a need could open quickly via injury or trade.
There are so many youngsters starting to bloom and grow. Their time will come, when is the question. Some faster than others. You never know when everything starts to click.
I'm pulling for Rutherford. WIN METHOD seemed to like him alot.
There are so many kids, and so many are pitchers.
I'd like to see CC have a winning season. He has seemed to overcome his personal issue and looked pretty good throwing last season. He goes reasonably far into games, but wins are what is needed.
Still waiting for the lights to come on for Pineda. I think it has mentioned here in the past that the light bulb may be very low wattage. Maybe this is the year.
Yes guys, if CC and Pineda step up that would be a big help to winning. If they don't, it should open the door for some young arms that can win.
will-i-am, and there is a whole bunch of young talented arms.
I still go back to last spring when Mitchell looked great until he got hurt and was out until late in the season.
True Bob. We do have 7-10 starters that have the ability. Who will get the nod.
Bloom and grow guys, bloom and grow.
Injuries could open the door for a rookie, but that is not a coveted way to break the lineup.
This is a post that is so so true and in fact pretty much proves the corruption and just how useless ERA is.
yankeeclipper21 said...
The fraud of the ERA. A pitcher gets the first two outs in an inning, then a fielder makes an error allowing a man to reach base. The pitcher allows two walks, two singles and a home run to the next five batters before getting the third out. How many runs are unearned and how many runs are earned. Sadly, the pitcher is not charged with any earned runs and all six runs are scored as unearned. I am calling fraud on the pitcher and his ERA and the people who think ERA defines pitchers.
January 15, 2017 at 10:30 AM
But, but, but....the pitcher should have been out of the inning and just because he walked 2 guys, allowed 2 singles and then a HR, he bares not responsibility for his failure and it is not held against him. What a fraudulent concept.
On the other hand, how many wins your pitchers earn equals how many wins the team earns and how many wins the team earns determines if the team goes to the playoffs, and through the playoffs wins determines if you move on, and finally wins determines who wins the World Series. I would think that wins is full proof in determining the best players and teams.
Hello okiened. Looks like your first post here on the WIN METHOD blog. You have your ducks in a row. Wins do determine the best. Welcome and post your views and ideas often.
I need baseball bad.
Thanks bigbadwolf. Looks like a great common sense blog.
There is more common sense, knowledgeable baseball here than on all the other baseballforums and blogs put together.
Lets get the rah rahs warmed up. Lets go Yankees.
The problem with so many talented youngsters is there is not enough positions to play then all.
Vinny, that is where the bloom and grow plays its part. Not all will develop at the same rate, some may be gone via injury, trade, failure.
I'd like to see Blake Rutherford take some big strides this season and at minimum reach high A or even AA.
Phil....Rutherford will only be 20 in May. Reaching AA would be a spectacular rise in level. Just needs to bloom and grow at his own pace.
All will bloom and grow, just how many and who will be able to help their team win at the major league level will be the question. Helping the team to win will determine how good they are.
I believe that the projected Yankee lineup as in right now is an upgrade over last seasons and good enough to compete at a very high level. For me it will be what pitchers will do to upgrade the staff and who will do it.
With all said, it will be a wild spring training with so much talent on display. Who will win out is up to the players themselves.
Producing when it matters will determine their status in the real world.
I just hope all the kids listen to and praise afraud and tell everyone how great afraud is to spend his time with them, and then go out do their thing and not follow one word of the lying corrupt cheat.
afraud is a cancer and always has been.
I would think a few of the veterans, coaches, management, etc already told the kids to yes afraud and just go about their business.
It is sad that we still have to even think about afraud for another year.
Forget about afraud, he's not on the roster anymore.
Interesting post from a heavily leaning stat fraud forum.....
"""""""Pretty much agree with you. It is important to note the last thing you should be looking at when evaluating a prospect is stats, especially in class a."""""
Someone who is not a complete idiot?
What, not look at stats. How dare you. Are you trying to be another WIN METHOD, the guru of not looking at stats for over 50 years.
Very nice guys. Individual stats are only good for fantasy sports and the losers who engage in fantasy.
Several Yankee prospects visited Yankee stadium yesterday.
We may very well have some special young men coming through our system over the next several years. WIN METHOD types and hopefully WIN METHOD producers.
Just a few more weeks. Looks like we made it through another winter of other sports.
Still hoping Cashman doesn't do anything stupid by trading any of our top chips for some loser.
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