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Sunday, April 3, 2016

WIN METHOD 2016 SEASON -- Only wins and winning determine the best.

The 2016 Major League Baseball season starts today.  The New York YANKEES first game will be tomorrow in New York against the Houston Astros.    The starting rotation has been decided, the twenty-five man roster has been decided, and tomorrow the drive for the playoffs will begin.  This is not fantasy baseball, played by stat fraud fools who live by meaningless individual statistics, this is real baseball where winning is determined by what all players on each team contribute to help their team win the most often.   These contributions are measured by wins and players producing at the right time, when it matters, and not by how much or how many stats they produce for themselves as their team fails. 


The injury bug has bitten the YANKEES, as it has bitten every team in one way or another.  First baseman Greg Bird is likely out for the season.  Pitcher Brian Mitchell may be out approximately three months, and pitcher Andrew Miller with a broken bone in his non throwing wrist may have been the luckiest, and will lose no playing time. 


Several YANKEE WIN METHOD youngsters are blooming and growing and are on the roster to start the season, and several more are on the near horizon and will start their season in the minors.
Several years ago the WIN METHOD made a concerted effort to find pitching talent each season and the YANKEES drafted many of these youngsters.   The time is here for some of these youngsters and the time for others is just around the corner. 


The YANKEE management led by the brilliant dealing of General Manager Brian Cashman have added several new players to this seasons roster and have deepened the bench for 2016.   Also, three very possible future stars are so near.  Catcher Gary Sanchez, right fielder Aaron Judge, and shortstop Jorge Mateo are getting closer to the major league roster every day.  Playing regularly in the minors right now is best for them and their development.  But they will soon be heard from.


Remember fans, it is a long season, there will be ups and downs, and as always only wins and winning will be the determining factor on which teams earn playoffs spots and go on to the second season.    Let the stat fraud fools play their fantasy games.   We will play for real baseball and root for our team to win and root for the contributions of each player to help our team win. 


LETS GO YANKEES

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candycane said...

Yanks up 11-7 after 8.

will-i-am said...

Eovaldi has gone 3 1/3 innings of shutout ball keeping the game at 11-7 after 8 innings.

bigbadwolf said...

Oh yes, congratulations to Derek Jeter and Hannah Davis.

will-i-am said...

Theeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Winnnnnnnnnnnn.

Cory said...

Fianl 11-7 win and a big series win.

Alex Antonius said...

Another big HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGE win. 11-7.

Gus Papa said...

.500 ball at the break. Good job. Lets go Yankees.

Patricia Piper said...

Congrats to Derek and Hannah. They will have a beautiful family.

Steve said...

Yes again. The Yankees and Indians played a four game series this weekend. The Indians outscored the Yankees 27-25. Yet another meaningless run total stat used only by the stat frauds and the ignorant baseball fans. The Yankees won 3 of the 4 games. Wins matter.

Steve said...

Forgot, best of luck to Derek Jeter the best baseball player in baseball over the past two decades and to his gorgeous and talented wife Hannah Davis. You both won and winning is all that matters.

Tommy Lee said...

Alex, just how HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGE?

Tony Gigante said...

What a great weekend. The Yankees defeat the Cleveland Indians, one of the best teams in baseball, 3 of 4 games on the Indians home field. The Yankees reach .500 at the all star break. Derek Jeter gets married. Nathan Eovaldi becomes another big arm in the bullpen.

Karl R said...

How about this fans, after the break, if the Yankees win the first three series, bosux, Orioles, and Giants, they make the playoffs.

sid greenberg,nyc said...

My best to Mr. and Mrs. Derek Jeter. Bloom and grow guys.

Domenic said...

Karl R, Yes we can.

Victor Bruno said...

Have a great life Derek and Hannah.

Andy K said...

Time off for everyone on the team to think about the rest of the season and to make the needed commitment to make the drive to the playoffs.

Dane Ostroff said...

NO TRADES NO TRADES NO TRADES NO TRADES NO TRADES

Deb F said...

Teams want a proven closer to take them through the playoffs and the World Series but they don't feel they need to give up proven quality for the close. To heck with them.

Wayne Littlebear said...

yankeeclipper21 said it all yesterday. We give our own a clear path and shot.

Sharon/NC said...

Steve, it looks like the stat frauds look stupid again. Yanks outscored in the four game series but win the series 3 games to 1. Wins tell the truth, stats tell the false narative and lies.

Unknown said...

Haha Steve you really enjoy beating that same drum huh

Jill Byrnes said...

There are so many young stupid fans being led by the nose by liars, cheats, and frauds making a living spreading lies and deceptions pertaining to convoluted made up meaningless stats.

Steve said...

Steven Fischer, it happens so often and just goes to prove the fallibility and falsehood of using stats. I've said thousands of times, wins never give a false outcome while stats do.

Jill Byrnes, your are right on Jill. The youngster are being led down the garden path of ignorance.

Hugh Frazier said...

In my opinion, if something is wrong many times in depicting a story, the story becomes just that, a story. If another something is correct every time in depicting a story, the story becomes fact and reality.

bigbadwolf said...

You post the truth on a stat fraud site, you get banned. The stat frauds come here and are welcomed and then proven how wrong they are.

johnsondc said...

There are a whole bunch of banned WIN METHOD supporters from the stat fraud sites here. Probably more than I know.

Vladimir Tinzik said...

Karl R, When the season restarts for the Yankees Friday those first three series encompass ten games. 7-3 would be fantastic.

Unknown said...

Steve
When I see you post that same example, it leads to think that you really don't understand how to properly use stats.

Steve said...

Steven Fischer, I could give so many instances, but that would bore everyone here who knows better already. I like to show the quick ones where the losing team out hits the winning team. The losing team team in a series out scores the winning team in their series. This stuff happens all the time. The greatest of all the Pirates defeating the Yankees in the WS 50 some years ago. The Yankees pummeled the Pirates in runs and hits by a large margin but did not win. The winning team is always the best.

Hugh Frazier, you posted common sense, but the stat frauds abhor common sense while extolling their erroneous beliefs.

Unknown said...

Sample size determination is the act of choosing the number of observations or replicates to include in a statistical sample. The sample size is an important feature of any empirical study in which the goal is to make inferences about a population from a sample.

Steve - ALL of your examples relate to small sample sizes. They don't prove nor do they disprove anything. No one uses stat in that small of an amount for anything. I've said this many times, either you don't understand or you refuse to acknowledge this.

Mike Smith said...

Steven....The sample size Steve is illustrating happens repeatedly during the season. Sample size, outliers, anomalies, are only stat fraud speak to fool people into believing their stats have merit. On the other hand you never, ever,ever, see WIN METHOD fans ever use sample size, outliers, anomalies. That is because wins are infallible.

I can't see why that is so hard for stat frauds to comprehend. It seems they have their own agenda in trying to tell people the winners are not the best and the losers are.

Unknown said...

I think the divide is that wins are great for telling who WAS the best. However when looking into the future, it's an extremely poor indicator of judging how an individual player will perform, or a pitcher will perform in the future, or even a team for that matter.

Some people are interested in projecting how they feel a player will do, or a team will do in the future, and you just can't project much of anything using wins. Is that hard for you to comprehend, because I'm pretty sure I've said it a few times in the past.

Cal Fuerst said...

Mike Smith, Stat frauds can't accept the outcomes of games played determining the best teams. Thus, they create flawed and misleading stats to try to tell you that the losing players and teams are better and it is only a "small sample size" that allowed the winning team to win. In stat fraud speak, small sample size means the outcome is flawed and not real because their flawed stats tell who is best.

sid greenberg,nyc said...

Predicting the future in baseball not easy. Rosters of all teams are constantly changing. Players come and go, endure injuries of all kinds, limiting playing time from days, weeks, months, to years. If stats were the answer and with all the modern technology we have today and if stats did work, I find it odd how so many first round draft picks fail and so many middle of the pack picks succeed. That fact in my opinion can only be attributed to each players ability to help their team win. Stats can't do that, because it is not how much or how many each player achieves, but WHEN they achieve as part of a team, and WHEN you achieve determine wins.

Unknown said...

Cal
Totally off-base, almost nothing you said is correct. Small sample sizes simply mean that a small game stretch doesn't give you any reliable information.

Sid
No, it's not easy at all. It's an imperfect science, and will always be. In regards to draft picks you have to rely mostly on scouting, their stats mean almost nothing due to the varying degree of competition.

Players in the Majors however have more reliable stats and you can project their future performance. I know you guys love your WHEN stuff, but if you have a number of players hitting .300 with 30 HRs and 120 RBIS, your offense is going to be strong. I think you undersell that some players are just better hitters than others and produce more consistently both when and when it doesn't matter.

Cal Fuerst said...

Steven Fischer, When you connect the dots and put many small game stretches together you get a lot of information, and most of it false.

John Hartnett said...

The 'WHEN stuff' is very likely the biggest determining factor of who wins and who losses. Without pressure it is easier to produce, when the game is on the line, it is harder to produce. That is what determines the best of the best. All the teams that reach the playoffs produce more to win more. During the playoffs, to advance to the World Series the same is true, to get to the World Series it is the teams that produce more to win more. Then the World Series is the final event to produce. the team that produces when it counts wins and is the best. And it makes absolutely no difference what any single players stats are as long as they produce when it counts to win.

Unknown said...

John
"Without pressure it is easier to produce, when the game is on the line, it is harder to produce"

Do you have any actual support for that? Or is that just your gut feeling.

John Hartnett said...

Steven, ask any professional sports athlete.

Unknown said...

I don't find myself having conversations with as many professional sports athletes as you do apparently, but I would think some would say that they perform better when the pressure is on.

John Hartnett said...

Steven, google professional athletes performing under pressure.

http://drelizabethward.com/athletes.html

I thought it was common knowledge.

John Hartnett said...

Steven, athletes can say anything. It is producing when it counts that separates the winners from the losers.

Benny Pake said...

I think no player can produce in every situation when it matters, but the winners surely do more times than the losers.

Unknown said...

John
So you don't actually have any proof or support for that claim, understood. I like to work with facts, not opinions, when making my judgments.

John Hartnett said...

Steven, testimony from knowledgeable and scholared professionals is valid in my opinion.

http://www.baseballtips.com/articles/playing-well-under-pressure/

http://www.livescience.com/4685-mind-games-great-baseball-player-great.html

Unknown said...

http://www.etf.com/sections/features/15847-yankees-gm-quant-analysis-key-to-winning.html?iu=1

Does this count?

John Hartnett said...

Steven, Sure it counts, and it is meaningless. Every team has scouts, numbers guys, and analysis pros. In the end some teams win and some teams lose. It all depends on producing when it counts.

Lori Kelly said...

You guys must be bored. My two cents, there is pressure and pressure situations.
Example: Last day of the season. The two last place teams are playing. There is no pressure on any play or player in this game. In another game two teams are playing and the winner goes to the playoffs and the loser goes home. Pressure right from the first pitch.

YankeeMike said...

Lori, just common sense.

Unknown said...

Lori
Great - but how do we have any way of knowing how that affects players positively or negatively, is the point.

Jen Vitter said...

Hopefully the team is resting and enjoying time away from the game. Come back roaring.

Lori Kelly said...

Steven F, The two teams playing for nothing and just playing out the season. It means nothing. The two teams playing for the playoff spot, the players who produce when it counts and help their team win is positive. The players who fail to produce when it counts and their team loses is a negative. Over the entire season, the more positives, the more wins, the better the players and the team.

Norm Jackson said...

The WIN METHOD is not that complicated, no made up formulas, no convoluted stats, just the most meaningful single stat in baseball. WINS.

Ty Keel said...

Get ready for the run to the finish.

Bud Light said...

Imagine the rest of the season if our guys produce at the reverse rate of not producing in the beginning of the season.

Steve said...

The superior American League beat the inferior national league team 4-2, but oh my the national league out hit the American League. how can that be, that a team with more hits and a higher batting average lost. Just the meaninglessness of stats.

KevMac said...

Steve, keep beating the drum of fact. But wait, another anomaly according to the stat frauds.

Saul Irving said...

There are a heck of a lot anomalies going on.

Sara Blanchard said...

Steve, KevMac, Saul, you guys are funny. More importantly, you are right.

Unknown said...

It's funny because you guys make the same point over and over, but have literally given no regard to my previous points, namely concerning that statistics are used primarily for projecting future performance, a facet that wins fails to do.

Yes wins are great for analyzing past team success, but it's really poor at projecting future success or for analyzing individual player performance.

Your hit argument is refuting what exactly? Has anyone, ever, stated that the team that outhits the other team will win the game? You're arguing against things that have never been argued for...and the more you do it the more I'm convinced that the use of statistics simply is over your heads.

Unknown said...

Steve-
Can you give a reason using the winmethod, why you believe the Yankees will or will not do well in the second half of the season? I want to see how you use it for going forward, obviously based on the first half wins - we're a middle of the pack .500 team.

Teena/Bronx said...

Last two days for time off for the team. Enjoy and come back with vengeance and the desire to win as a team.

William Mensom said...

Steven Fischer, on the other hand I think that the use of wins and how they are used is over your head. Wins determine who goes to the playoffs. Thus, only the most winningest of team play in the playoffs. In the future as the playoffs begin we know none of the teams who did not win enough games during the season will not advance in the playoffs. Through each round of the playoffs we know only the teams that win will advance to the next round will advance and the team who do not win will not advance. This will occur right to the finish of the World Series where, yes again, the team who wins will be champions.

Unquestionably wins projects future performance all throughout the season and the second season. Then again for the next season. Decades ago before free agency teams could go for several years winning multiple World Series. With free agency, and the constant movement of players it is a bit harder to win multiple World series, but you do have relative consistency of the better teams contending most often. Wins do project future results, and a hundred times better than false convoluted man made stats. Individual stat performance is not the key to anything, it is the team performing together producing when it matters to win games that determines the best. It is never how much or how many a player attains, but when he attains that matters, and that is determined by team wins.

Your suggesting that people are arguing regarding hits or even runs during a series, is just the posters trying to show how stats can be so false and misleading. Of course you don't argue it because stats are indefensible. If stats can be wrong so many times, be it for a game, a series, and so forth they can be wrong for any amount of time. Or at least shown to be invalid. You likely have read many time here from many different posters, wins are never wrong.

Unknown said...

William
Then project for me, using wins, how you think the Yankees will do going forward.

Using stats and just a general analysis of this team I would say, unless they increase their offensive output and consistently score more runs, we'll probably continue to struggle at around .500. If some players are able to be more consistent in the second half, maybe this offense can improve, but as it stands they have not been good enough.

William Mensom said...

Steven Fischer, my predicting for you the future with wins is absolutely no different than you predicting the future with stats.

I guarantee you this however, every team that makes the playoffs will have more wins than the teams who do not make the playoffs, and this will occur no matter what any other stat or group of stats may be.

As far as the Yankee chances of making the playoffs, that will be determined by what has always been declared here. If the players produce when he counts at a higher rate than they have produced so far this season they will make the playoffs. If they do what they have been doing, they will get what they have gotten.

Deb F said...

Steven, let me pose you a possibility. Two teams finish the season with exactly the same stats in all areas from to to bottom except wins. Run differential, HR's, ERA, BA, etc. One team wins 90 games and makes the playoffs, the other team wins 80 games and doe not. Why?

Hint: when

Steve said...

Steven Fischer, The Yankees will make the playoffs this season if they produce more when it counts therefore winning more games. If they produce less when it counts, they will finish sub .500 and not make the playoffs.

Nancy Groh said...

Deb F, you gave it away. Stat frauds don't like when, because it upsets, and belies their false narrative.

Unknown said...

Deb F
Mostly likely the one team had piled up a number of runs in blow-out type games, but, has this ever actually happened?

Even if so - the whole point in statistical analysis is that it provides a general background and answers the question of why or how teams are winning. Stats CANNOT, no or they, used to produce a linear equation to wins - because that's not how baseball works.

You guys say the Yankees have struggled because they haven't produced when it matters, I went deeper than this. They've been poor at hitting with RISP yes, but they also have been near the bottom of the league in creating run scoring situations. Paired up with what has been a middle of the pack pitching performance, it's clear why they've been struggling.

At the end of the day do stats matter in the standing - no of course not, and no one argues that it does. But there are fans that like context to their teams performance, and that's what they use them.

Stats reflect things that actually happened on the field. It's information - there's no denying that. You all choose to ignore that information, that doesn't make you smarter or dumber, just different. However, some people ENJOY looking into this information. You think the information is misleading, but based on the discussions I've seen here - it's pretty clear you just don't know how to use that information correctly.

Deb F said...

Steven, Everyone here likely uses stats in one or another. I have no problem with anyone using stats to any degree they wish. I DO have with a problem when people come to me and try to convince me their lifelong loser is a great player and was let down by his team mates. Or when they try to tell me this guy should be a Yankee and that same guy helps bury his team. You ignore something very important. Great individual stats does not mean you are a great player. Saying that, it would mean what each individual deems a great player. It is my opinion, and likely almost everyone here, that to be truly great, you must win and help lead your team to the playoffs, win pennants, and win WS. A player who hit 40 HRs a year for ten years and helps his team to the playoffs once or twice is not great. He is just a great HR hitter. A player who hits .300 and over for ten years and helps his team to the playoffs once or twice is not a great player. He is a great hitter. Please don't bring up players from decades past that never won a WS. The WIN METHOD says to rate players in decades they played and not compared to players o decades 30-40 years earlier or later. One must look at players differently in the old 8 team leagues with no playoffs and only one team in each league going to the WS.
You state "stats reflect things that actually happen on the field." That is correct, and the winning and losing is the defining factor of things that actually happen on the field. The winning team will have produced when it mattered and the losing team will have failed to have delivered when it mattered. That is what you are ignoring. You would tend to look at the hitter who went 4-5 and none of his hits were involved in any scoring. In his 5th at bat, with the bases loaded and 1 out and his team down 1 run he hits a one hopper back to the pitcher for a DP. That 4-5 looks great in the box score, but alas, he failed when it mattered most, where even an out could have tied the game.

Nancy Groh said...

Deb F, I think that's why Steven F said "You guys say the Yankees have struggled because they haven't produced when it matters, I went deeper than this. They've been poor at hitting with RISP yes, but they also have been near the bottom of the league in creating run scoring situations. Paired up with what has been a middle of the pack pitching performance, it's clear why they've been struggling." Putting his claim into context. If the Yankees won just 5 of their one run loss games they would essentially tied with the bosux and Blue Jays a couple of game behind the Orioles. WHEN, it is always WHEN.

jimbo said...

Nancy Groh, you can say the same for every team in baseball about one runs games and very likely include two and even three run games largely into the mix. It is always when players produce and or don't produce that determines the outcome of games. Not only for hitters, but the same can be said for pitchers in preventing or surrendering runs. A popup out, a strike out, or a DP at crucial scoring opportunities in a game can be vital. Striking out a hitter with 2 out and no one on is not big. Striking out a hitter with the bases loaded and 1 out can determine the game.

WIN METHOD said...

Great posts WIN METHOD fans. You get it, that is what makes you the smartest baseball fans in the world. I am so very proud of all of you.

Erica Nuyens said...

Your the man WIN METHOD, Love ya,

sid greenberg,nyc said...

WIN METHOD, you post common sense, you back it up with common sense, and common sense fans will come.

White Knight said...

Steven Fischer, If a WIN METHOD fans posts on a baseball forum, he gets vilified, demeaned, and called a troll. Then he gets banned. A stat fan comes here and we all say our piece, state our cases and live and let live. This is a class blog with very intelligent fans. You have to win to be the best. And to win you have to produce when it counts.

Unknown said...

Deb F
When do people say that on here ever - regarding a great player? At least you can acknowledge when some one is a great hitter. Ichiro Suzuki for instance I would imagine is great hitter in your mind and not a great player - I'm fine with you saying that. The fact that you can look at his stats and make that determination shows that stats do have MEANING, and are not meaningless.

The hitter who went 4-5, you can't just completely discredit those hits. Is it his fault the players behind him didn't drive him in? No hitter can produce in every big spot, but I'd be willing the "great hitters" were able to do it more frequently.

Nancy - to win a one run game means you must score 2 more runs keep in mind and you can't just cherry pick one run losses. By that method I could say if they had lost 5 more of their one run games they'd be awful right now, it goes both ways no? If they scored runs more consistently in general than they have, they'd have more wins - period.

Jimbo - it's revisionist history to say striking out a batter with 2 outs and no one on isn't big. What if he puts the ball in play and it goes for an error, and the next guy hits a home run.

For the players on the field, every moment should and probably does matter, as well it should.

Unknown said...

White Knight
I've been on a blog where a WINMETHOD fan posted - he was antagonistic, disruptive to the conversation at hand (would steer the topic at hand in a different direction), and rude. It wasn't his thoughts that got him banned, it was his behavior.

Deb F said...

Steven, I'll answer my portion, and leave the rest to the others if they wish to respond.
Ichiro was a great hitter, and a great player, just not the best player. The stats do have meaning, no argument, but in themselves they are meaningless in identifying the best players.
Typical stat fraud response heard many times, it was the other guys fault. Agreed, most hitters will fail most of the time, however a .250 hitter may very well succeed more the your "great hitters" when it counts and help lead his team to the playoffs and beyond, making him one of the best. Wins will always lead down the path to the best players, not individual stats.

Steve said...

Steven Fischer I've been on a blog where a WINMETHOD fan posted - he was antagonistic, disruptive to the conversation at hand (would steer the topic at hand in a different direction), and rude. It wasn't his thoughts that got him banned, it was his behavior.

That is total Barbara Streisand.

bigbadwolf said...

Steven Fischer, I read that forum and the derision spewed by the 'gang' there. Steve was Winsistheonlystat on that forum and at no time verbally insulted anyone there. There opinions, he made mince meat of. He used logic and common sense, just as he does here, and made them look like fools. They just posted over and over their same refrain of insults. How could anyone challenge them was their thought process. I've been banned from three forums and it is always the same. To them wins do not matter. It is all individual stats and when they are told and shown just how meaningless those stats are, they go on a rampage.

Steve said...

I believe his biggest predictions were that severino and nova were going to have huge seasons...so yeah about making every one look like fools...

Why is always a battle for you guys anyway. Your way a viewing the game is no more rights than anyone else's

Steve said...

The above post has my name on it, but it was not made by me.

Bud Light said...

Last day off for the Yankees today. Back in action for the final run tomorrow.

Steve F said...

It was me, referring to...we have the same name

Warren Hammond said...

For something to be valid, it must be valid at any point in time. Looking at stats, the frauds claim more is better, the more times teams put men on base the better their chances of scoring and or the more opportunities to score. Sounds good, the fact is if you do not produce in those opportunities, even if they occur every inning and you do not produce, you do not win. To defeat and undermine a stat fraud just take their stats to a conclusion.

It may never happen, but the fact that it could happen tells you all you need to know about stats. A team can bat a 1.000, yes every batter gets a hit in a nine inning game and the team losses.

A team can score less runs over a season than they give up and still win enough games to reach the playoffs and even the World Series.

A starting pitcher can go through a season, start 32 games and never give up an earned run, but never win a game.

There are countless more examples of stat fraud. On the other hand wins never are false, never ever. EVER! Can you comprehend that stat frauds, never, ever.

Steve said...

Steve F, thank you for explaining.

I will answer the second part of your post.

You posted """"Why is always a battle for you guys anyway. Your way a viewing the game is no more rights than anyone else's"""" I agree, everyone can view a game any way they wish and use any method they wish to rate players and teams. The difference is the fact that only the best players and teams win and it makes no difference what the team stats are or the players stats are. Being the best is determined by wins and winning. That is fact, no matter how anyone wants to parse it. If that simple fact cannot be accepted by anyone, there is nothing anyone can do to help them understand why the game is played. That may be the problem, they may not understand why the game is played. It is played for the team to win. I bet however, nowadays all too many players play for the money they can make and even though they may say it, they don't care a bit if the team wins or losses, if they cheat or not, as long as they reap the big payday.

Yankeeforever said...

Warren, nice post. Fact do kill.

Unknown said...

Warren
Except that for something to be valid it does not need to be true 100% of the time, so that kind of discredits the entirety of your post.

Warren Hammond said...

Steven Ficsher, now you are parsing. When you do taxes, you better be right 100% of the time. I'd love to see you explain to the IRS, that the taxes you just filed for someone that the IRS say is false, and you tell them in your words """for something to be valid it does not need to be true 100% of the time.""""

My point of fact being, wins are valid 100% of the time. No parsing needed. Stats can be wrong at any time, for a game, a series, a week, a season. That make them invalid.

Dan Evans said...

Love your post Steve. That is WIN METHODs field. Finding players who want to win. I remember WIN METHOD telling the world for the Yankees to stay away from and not sign afraud, that he was a cancer. Oh, so true.

Unknown said...

Actually stats are never wrong really, as they are just reflections of actual on-field events (for example, a run is a run, and RBI is and RBI, they happened).

To play devils advocate that wins are never wrong - Didn't the Golden State Warriors win the most games over a full season in league history? But didn't walk away with a title - wouldn't looking at just wins be false here?

Jill Byrnes said...

Anyone reading this blog can see the difference between the WIN METHOD and the stat fraud. The WIN METHOD never needs excuses. Stat frauds live by excuses, lies, deception, mis-information, and fakery.
Case closed.

Yankeedoodledandy said...

Hear hear Jill.

Phil Jenkins said...

Steven Fischer, Agree, stats are never wrong when they are used as tools record events and add them up for totals of H, R, E, Trips, Doubs, Singls, HRs, W, K, etc. When they are used to define the best players they are meaningless.

Devils advocate. The regular season is played to reach the playoffs. How many games you win in total do not matter any more or less as long as the total the team achieves is enough to get into the playoffs. In the playoffs you now must compete against the better teams one on one. If you win you move up the ladder. The Warriors proved to have some of the best players in the game to reach the final round that would determine the champion. One on one with the Cavaliers they were second best and the Cavaliers were the best of the best. In response to your question, wins were the determining factor in defining who was the best.

Jill Byrnes said...

Phils response to Steven Fischer, is exactly what I meant in my earlier post. There was no parsing anyting, just used common sense for a logical factual answer. No twisting and turning, no smoke and mirrors, on outliers, anomalies, short series. Just wins.

sid greenberg,nyc said...

I remember the 50's when in 54 the Indians wan the AL with 111 wins. The Giants won the NL with 97 wins. In the WS the best team from the AL and NL met. The NL Giants won the WS in four consecutive game. The Giants had the best team and players in baseball in 1954.

Benny Pake said...

I wouldn't be surprised if some teams have made the playoffs with negative run differential. That would be the golden goose of proving that it is when you produce that is more important than how many you produce. Because in the world of stats, over an entire season no team should be able to make the playoffs scoring less runs than they allow.

Yanks23245 said...

Benny Pake...Teams have made the playoffs with negative run differential. I think in the 80's a team won the WS going thru the season with a negative differential.

Cory said...

Pineda opens the weekend series with the sux.

Jimmy Thames said...

We are back to the real world and the final run to the 2016 season. We move forward by winning this first series with the bosux.

Frank Sergi said...

As the season draws closer to concluding every game and every series becomes more important and winning as it always has will determine who goes to the playoffs. Let go Yankees.

Andrew J said...

Time to play better than .500 baseball.

johnny said...

Lets go Yankees.

johnsondc said...

Jill Byrnes, You wrote ::""Anyone reading this blog can see the difference between the WIN METHOD and the stat fraud. The WIN METHOD never needs excuses. Stat frauds live by excuses, lies, deception, mis-information, and fakery.
Case closed.""::

I think your statement is one of the most poignant, accurate, and defining descriptions between the WIN METHOD and stats I have seen. Thank you.

will-i-am said...

Lefty lineup tonight. The only downer is afraud in lineup as DH. Refsynder has to sit because be play a cancer, a liar, a cheat, a fraud, named afraud.

White Knight said...

We can only hope afraud doesn't cost us another game.

Domenic said...

OK Big Mike. You are in charge, lead the way.

candycane said...

0-0 after 2.

Yankeedoodledandy said...

Yankees trail 1-0 after 3.

Stan the Man said...

Yanks down 3-0 after 5. Being knuckleballed to death.

candycane said...

Yankees down 5-3 after 6.

Steve said...

Down 5-3 after 8.

Stan the Man said...

Yanks down 5-3 after 8.

jimbo said...

Yankees go down 1,2,3 in 9th. Lose 5-3.

Gus Papa said...

5-3 loss. Pineda couldn't do the job tonight.

Robert Mandel said...

Just have to win the next two games to take the series with the sux.

Norm Jackson said...

CC this afternoon to try to even this series with the sux.

Sharon/NC said...

That was not a good way to start our comeback last night.

Victor Grandozi said...

Lets get to square one today. But if we keep just getting back to square one and don't move forward we won't make the playoffs.

Warren Hammond said...

Many people are demanding the Yankees make trades in the next two weeks. There may very well be a trade by the Yankees. Just don't give anyone away despite what the 'make a trade no matter what' fools say. We can trade in the off season. We have big pieces moving up the ladder. Build around them. Not to just make a trade.

Quay Ho said...

You don't trade away dominant proven pieces for maybe pieces.

Unknown said...

Quay ho,

Aren't most trades for proven veterans for younger less proven players with high upside? When do you ever see trades that are one proven starter for another proven starter?

yankeeclipper21 said...

afraud practicing at first base to give Yankee options. What a disaster.

Cory said...

Lefty lineup. afraud and Castr the right hand bats..afraud at cleanup. Not good.

Teena/Bronx said...

Possible rains storms in area.

Unknown said...

I also enjoy how you claim the forum has no exuses, yet you all blame Arod for the majority of team problems.

muchomachoman said...

Game time and we need a win.

Deb F said...

Steven Fischer, the no excuses is for wins determining who is best. There are always reasons for a team not winning. In the case of every team afraud joined the team he joined got worse and won less when joined them. In the mean time, each team he left performed better.
You do have a knack for espousing your agenda in your posts.

Unknown said...

What would my agenda be deb?

Domenic said...

Cory, it is really a really a right handed lineup with the switch hitters. But there are four left handed bats in lineup.

Deb F said...

Steven Fischer, posting stupid stuff.

candycane said...

0-0 after 2.

Unknown said...

Can you be more specific for what I've posted that's stupid?

Or are you just in general a nasty person that can't handle a challenge in your ideology?

Phil Jenkins said...

As good a year as Gregorius is having, he still isn't in the same ballpark as Derek Jeter, offensively and defensively.

candycane said...

Yankees down 2-1 after 4......and yes, it has been when for each team.

Bud Light said...

Yankees down 5-1 thru 6.

Paul Hill said...

Looking bad, real bad. Down 5-1 after 7 and not doing anything.

Sal Mineo said...

Got a run. Down 5-2 after 8.

Andy K said...

Final 5-2 loss.

will-i-am said...

Yankees go down 1,2,3 in 9th without a whimper.

Patricia Piper said...

This series is lost. Try to avoid the sweep tomorrow.

Jack Bauer said...

Tanaka in the despised Sunday espn game to try to avoid the sweep.

Harry Stavris said...

Man oh man do we need a win tonight. Then take three of four from the O's.

Fred Slube said...

Harry, that would work for me.

Deb F said...

Just for the stat frauds. Yesterday four teams who lost out hit the team that beat them. Sounds like it was when the hits were produced that mattered.

Chad Greene said...

Deb F, When the hits are produced is always what matters. Even outs can mean runs.

Victor Grandozi said...

We really do need to win tonight.

Saul Irving said...

Yes we have to wait until 8PM again.

Jen Vitter said...

Still not hitting when it matters.

johnny said...

Lets go Yankees.

Rahm Mahood said...

Please do not make a trade just to make a trade. To heck with any team that wants one of our big closers and doesn't want to give what we want.

YankeeMike said...

If our Sanchez and or Judge and or Mateo haven't proven themselves in the majors why in the name of God would we trade one of our star closers for some other teams players who haven't proven themselves yet? Why? Why?

Unknown said...

Yankeemike
Because hopefully it's a player they've identified will help the team in the future for at like 6-7 years at a very low cost rather than a closer under contract for 2 years at a high cost.

jimbo said...

Righthanded lineup in. Elsbury, Gardner, Didi the lefties. afraud at cleanup is a major loser.

YankeeMike said...

We have our own 'identified' prospects. We also have Bird who to some degree is close to proven. Why would someone else's prospect be any better than our own. No way will you get anyone for 6-7 years at low cost if he is any good. I'd rather of the proven closers. All three. Play our prospects. How about Gardner, Ellsbury, Judge of. Bird, Refsynder, Castro, Didi, if. Sanchez c. Don't need anyone else unless it is a proven of or sp.

Unknown said...

If the player is a prospect, he would be under team control for 6-7 years by rule, granted they would get arbitration at some point but that's still not as expensive as dipping into free agency.

I don't know how to answer why would they be any better...why would they be any worse.

As you mentioned they could be targeting SP, can never have enough of that. It some team feels they're a closer away from a WS, and our willing to give up a good/great player, who he Yankees feel could be a star in the future, I would like to see them pursue that.

Also keep in mind Bird, Sanchez etc are no locks to stay healthy or succeed in the majors, and having quality depth in case one fails is never a bad thing.

Unknown said...

Also remember chapman is free agent after this year and will require a large financial burden to keep, and is no lock to resign with the Yankees either way.

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candycane said...

Yankees down 1-0 after 2.

YankeeMike said...

Steven F., you said """""I don't know how to answer why would they be any better...why would they be any worse."""" That is my point, why given up a proven commodity for a maybe. We have our own maybes. Give up someone proven, get someone proven.

NJYANKEE said...

Yankees with a couple of hits when it matters and take 3-1 lead thru 4.

candycane said...

3-1 Yanks after 4.

Domenic said...

Yanks up 3-1 after 6. Bullpen time. Betances in for the 7th.

Stan the Man said...

Betances 1,2,3 7th. Can we get a tack on run or two.

Yanks23245 said...

How can we possibly make a run with afraud in the lineup. 1,2,3 batters each have 2 hits, afraud in the 4 hole nothing. Weak grounders, popups, strikeouts, = pathetic useless waste.

candycane said...

3-1 after 7.

will-i-am said...

Miller in for the 8th.

jimbo said...

Miller walks one but hurls scoreless 8th.

Eddie OConnor said...

espn crew talking about Yankees trading bullpen aces. They feel that in the last few days before deadline the Yankees may get several offers that will blow them away. And if they don't get those offers the Yankees should walk away.
They must be reading this blog.

Yankeeforever said...

Eddie, they have to be reading this blog. They aren't smart enough to know better unless they read it here.

candycane said...

3-1 Yanks after 8.

jimbo said...

Chapman in for the 9th a save try.

will-i-am said...

Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees winnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

jimbo said...

Chapman 1,2,3 9th for save.

Patricia Piper said...

We needed that win. Bring in the o's and lets trounce them foul birds.

Hugh Frazier said...

It ain't over till it's over.

Deb F said...

Orioles in for four games. A split is treading water. Can we, will we take three at least.

Alex Antonius said...

Yes we can and yes we will. Lets go Yankees.

Zhaire said...

Lets go Yankees. Put the pedal to the metal.

Paul Hirschman said...

We haven't found the right combination, if we have one. Pitch and hit effectively and especially when it matters most.

Steven Sands said...

Love the positive attitude of the fans here. Sure beats the negativity from far too many other places.

Sharon/NC said...

Shut down the O's, Ivan. Yes you can.

will-i-am said...

I have just one wish. That is for the Yankee team to kick afraud out on his rear end, because he is a disgrace as a man, a human being, a liar, a cheat, and a disgrace to the game and to the fans you do not accept cheating.

Dane Ostroff said...

6 lefty hitters, 3 righty hitters.

jimbo said...

will-i-am, Hear, hear.

Saul Irving said...

Girardi keeps putting afraud in the lineup and he wonders why the team is at .500.

White Knight said...

No matter what we have to play around the black hole. Lets win game one.

Paul Hill said...

We can hope afraud bats in no crucial situations.

Yanks23245 said...

Thinking back, the afraud signing just might be one of the worst signings in the history of baseball.

candycane said...

afraud HR gives Yanks 1-0 lead after 2.

candycane said...

Yanks up 2-1 after 4.

Sal Mineo said...

2-1 Yanks after 5.

RLA said...

Still 2-1 after 6.

jimbo said...

Betances in for the 7th.

Stan the Man said...

Betances with a shut out 7th.

Stan the Man said...

No insurance run. 2-1 after 7. Miller time for the 8th.

jimbo said...

Miller 1,2,3 8th on DP.

jimbo said...

2-1 after 8. Chapman in to try for the save.

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