The 2016 Major League Baseball season starts today. The New York YANKEES first game will be tomorrow in New York against the Houston Astros. The starting rotation has been decided, the twenty-five man roster has been decided, and tomorrow the drive for the playoffs will begin. This is not fantasy baseball, played by stat fraud fools who live by meaningless individual statistics, this is real baseball where winning is determined by what all players on each team contribute to help their team win the most often. These contributions are measured by wins and players producing at the right time, when it matters, and not by how much or how many stats they produce for themselves as their team fails.
The injury bug has bitten the YANKEES, as it has bitten every team in one way or another. First baseman Greg Bird is likely out for the season. Pitcher Brian Mitchell may be out approximately three months, and pitcher Andrew Miller with a broken bone in his non throwing wrist may have been the luckiest, and will lose no playing time.
Several YANKEE WIN METHOD youngsters are blooming and growing and are on the roster to start the season, and several more are on the near horizon and will start their season in the minors.
Several years ago the WIN METHOD made a concerted effort to find pitching talent each season and the YANKEES drafted many of these youngsters. The time is here for some of these youngsters and the time for others is just around the corner.
The YANKEE management led by the brilliant dealing of General Manager Brian Cashman have added several new players to this seasons roster and have deepened the bench for 2016. Also, three very possible future stars are so near. Catcher Gary Sanchez, right fielder Aaron Judge, and shortstop Jorge Mateo are getting closer to the major league roster every day. Playing regularly in the minors right now is best for them and their development. But they will soon be heard from.
Remember fans, it is a long season, there will be ups and downs, and as always only wins and winning will be the determining factor on which teams earn playoffs spots and go on to the second season. Let the stat fraud fools play their fantasy games. We will play for real baseball and root for our team to win and root for the contributions of each player to help our team win.
LETS GO YANKEES
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Lets win them all, the long, the short, and the tall.
We need to really wreak havoc these next two weeks.
Hey sid, Your showing your age, and mine.
It's a day off for all the die hard fans who try to watch each and every game and accepting the good with the bad.
Relax and rest today, tomorrow come to play.
Pitch and hit, that is all there is to it.
Play WIN METHOD baseball, and never to what the stat frauds say.
Play as a team and when it matters produce the big hit.
Linda, you are poet.
Interesting posts here on a day without a game.
Eovaldi starts tonight in Colorado. Eovaldi needs to step up after three sub par efforts in a row.
A good start to this trip is to win both games against the Rockies.
Time to step up our game and take a big step forward.
Yes, it is about that time to step up our game.
Pitch and hit when it counts the most. That is what determines who wins.
I have been reading where the most ignorant stat fraud baseball know nothings are demanding the Yankees trade so and so and so and so for certain unproven people. Trade Miller, trade Chapman, trade Betances, trade Betances, etc for what they hope will be players that likely will not help the team. We have many players on the cusp and don't need other teams castoffs for our best players. Stand pat Cashman unless you can get a certified major league proven star.
Hear, hear Steve. Sanchez, Judge, Mateo, plus several young starters. Grow with our own and keep the proven talent we have that other covet.
NL ballpark, no DH, no afraud. Lets go Yankees.
Ok team.. start out on the right foot.
Score first and win game one.
Yanks down 1-0 after 2.
Eovaldi getting hammered. Yanks down 4-0 after 4.
Yanks down 4-0 after 4.
Steve
If this team is still playing under .500 baseball and they get a good offer for chapman, who is a free agent next year, I think it would make a lot of sense to field that offer. There have been great trades made at deadlines and this could add to an already bright future.
Yankees down 6-0 after 5.
Didi 3 run HR in 6th cuts Rockie lead to 6-3 mid 6th.
Yank bullpen gives Didi's 3 runs right back in bottom of 6th. Yanks trail 9-3.
The Yankees scored ten runs last night and were never in the game. Losing 13-10.
Last nights game illustrates how to score runs with no pressure on you. Yanks score 7 runs in 8th inning trailing 12-3. The issue being do they score those 7 runs if they were training 7 or 8 to 3? Of course not. Different pitchers a would be used by the Rockies, different managerial decisions are made, different pressures on the players to perform when it counts as to opposed to when it doesn't. The numbers add up for the stat frauds, but not to as which team wins the game.
Nova today to get us even.
Steven Fischer, I agree to a point. Chapman would be the player to deal because, as you said, he is a FA and it would cost plenty to sign him. The question would be, what is a great deal? The team that wants him knows he is a FA also and would not want to overpay in a deal. In my opinion, I would not get rid of Chapman unless I got a proven talent able to step into a position that helps our team immediately.
Ike Davis starting at first base today.
0-0 after 2.
Rockies do what Yankees afraid to do. Rockies chuck their high priced lowlife Reyes while the Yankees keep their high priced lowlife afraud on the roster.
2-1 Yankees after 4.
In my mind, if you're able to trade him to a team with a large amount of young talent who is going heavy for a championship this year (Cubs for instance), and you've identified players close to the majors that you think can be an everyday players or starters - you make that deal.
The worst thing you could do is stand pat, miss the playoffs, and have Chapman leave as a FA.
Yanks down 5-3 after 6.
Still down 5-3 after 7.
Chapman gives up run in 8th. Yanks down 6-3 for last at bats.
Game over 6-3 loss. 0-2 in Colorado. On to Minnesota and need a 4 game sweep.
Not a good start to this road trip.
Steven Fischer, Who determines if a team has 'a large amount of young talent'? Who determines if they are better than what you now have on the farm?
We have to win 3 of 4 minimum in Minnesota just to have a .500 road trip.
Steven Fischer... what player would you demand from the Cubs for Chapman?, and then walk away if they do not give him to you. The same for the Nats.
Scouts and baseball executives who look at the players play more than you and I do determine their potential. A lot of the Cubs stars right now we're highly touted prospects.
I'll look later for specific players, but let's be honest- this team has needs outside of relief pitching, and if they can fill those needs with players that may not be in our future, why wouldn't we pursue that.
The last 4 years have shown we have needs.
Steven Fischer...why let a team have a sure fire, proven, one of the best relief pitchers in baseball for potential?
Steve...I tend to agree. We have our own potential no far off.
Deb F
Because sometimes you need to lose a battle to win a war. How have we done with chapman- not well. This team
Has holes, it's not deniable, and if we can trade a player who homssy resign next year to fill a need, why weren't we.
He's a relief pitcher who pitches 60 innings a year. Don't overstate his value too much.
CC starts tonight and we need a win.
Steven Fischer... I don't think the Yankees are looking to make the trade, the Cubs and or the Nationals and or some other team may be looking to acquire Chapman. If I were the Yankee deal maker, yes they can have him but I want a starting position player for him. If not let the other teams find someone else.
Deb F, We have a right fielder, a catcher, and a shortstop close in our pipeline. We have Bird also. That is half the team in position players. Quite possibly some do not work out well, but who we get in a trade may not work out also, unless he is an already proven ML player. We don't get that, I rather sign Chapman and keep the three man closers.
People, Show some guts, start next season with Sanchez/McCann c/dh, Bird/Teixeira 1b/dh, Castro 2b, Mateo/Gregorius ss/3b, Judge rf, Ellsbury cf, Gardner lf, Hicks of, Refsynder if. By God, do as the Rockies did with Reyes, chuck afraud. Using this as your base, now if you can improve the team with a trade, you have to get someone who is proven better than what you have in house.
It takes both sides to agree for a trade to culminate. If someone tells you I want so and so, then you should be able to respond that you want so and so.
Just because anyones individual perception of how ownership is running a team does not meet their views does not make ownership wrong, stupid, don't care, etc. I tend to think ownership is doing what they feel needs to done for any of a variety of reasons.
If we can come up with another Derek Jeter we can go on another WS run. Players like Jeter only come along once in a great while and there is no one presently playing that is anywhere near what Jeter was.
What the Yankee organization does they will do not by what any fans think should be done. It is their decision alone and right now we are in the middle of a season. We need to play this season and win.
Lets go Yankees.
Who was it that said some of the best trades are the one you don't make?
White Knight, I think it may be just an adage that has been used many times.
Lets sweep this series and get back over .500.
OK guys, leys stop fooling around and start winning.
Scoreless thru 3.
Yankees down 1-0 after 5.
Yankees with bases full in 6th only scratch out 1 run. Score tied 1-1 after 6.
Gregorius 3 run HR gives Yankees 4-1 lead after 7.
CC grinded one heck of a game tonight. 116 pitches 6 innings 1 run for the win.
Final, Yankees win 4-1.
Theeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
At least it was a win.
Tanaka tonight and we need to win again.
We can try again to win ten games in a row. Got to five last time.
How about some of our stupid play. afraud trying to stretch a single for him, a double for anyone else, into a double and being thrown out by twenty feet.
CC has been teh best pitcher in baseball over his last seven starts.
Cc has been excellent, but you're forgetting about kershaw
Right handed bat lineup tonight.
Lets go guys, get another win tonight.
RAIN DELAY
4-0 Yanks after 1. Only batter who did not hit ball hard for Yanks in 1st inning was afraud.
Headley makes brilliant defensive play for 3rd out in first. He has really stepped up his game offensively and defensively this past month.
7-1 Yankees after 3.
8-1 Yankees mid 4th. Big 3 in bullpen should get night off unless something stupid happens.
Yanks up 8-1 after 5.
8-1 Yankees after 8. Tanaka completes 8 innings.
Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. 2
Final 8-2 win.
Pineda this afternoon to try to build another win.
Keep putting up wins and slowly you move up the ladder, put up enough wins and then you can look down at who is behind you.
Sabathia 7 innings total and 116 pitches.
Tanaka 8 innings total and 110 pitches.
Now it's Pineda turn.
Gotta give props to Headley also. Solid .300+ BA for six weeks now and spectacular defense at third base.
Reading back a little ways I see several posts regarding Yankee management and what should or should not be done as far as players, trades, etc. My opinion is Judge won't do better than Beltran right now so let him play everyday and hopefully one day soon the bulb goes on and everything starts to click. Although Sanchez may help the Yankees right now, I also think letting him play everyday in AAA and as I said for Judge I say for Sanchez. Mateo is still in single A and he is the youngest and may have even greater potential. So let him play everyday and develop without pressure. In just one or two years all will be likely playing for the Yankees. There are others in the system and the pitchers who have injuries need to recover and develop and the ones without injuries need to develop. When it comes time to be called on they will have their chance. Right now the Yankees are competitive, can make the playoffs, and who knows, by late September things just may go their way.
Castro on bench today getting a breather. Refsynder playing second and Davis at first. Girardi knows what he is doing and does use everyone at the time he feels they can help the team.
Jeff Miller, Good post. Solid thinking.
Barry West, I agree re Girardi. You know your manager is doing well when the stat fruads on the talk forums rip him.
Do what you did last night guys. Lets go Yankees.
Pineda gives up 2 out rbi single in 2nd. Yanks trail 1-0.
Yanks down 1-0 after 2.
Pineda gives up 2 out 2 rund HR in 4th. Yanks trail 3-0.
Yankees down 4-0 after 6 and have not threatened once. Now guys, wake up.
Yankees get 2 in 7th to cut Twins lead in half. Trail 4-2 after 7.
Yankees get 2 more runs in 8th. 4-4 after 8.
Yankees with 3 in 9th for a 7-4 lead. Chapman in for the 9th a save try.
Theeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Winnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. 3
Regarding todays save by Chapman and meaningless stats. We all know the ignorance of stat frauds who adore ERA and hate wins. Today we got a great example of meaningless runs and meaningless ERA. The goal for the Yankees and Chapman was for Chapman to earn the save and therefore earn a win for the Yankees. Chapman earned the save and the Yankees got the win. BUT Chapman gave up two runs, which for a relief pitcher bloats there meaningless ERA. It's the save stupid, not the ERA.
Steve, the issue with the stat frauds is they care more about individual stats than team results.
We go for the series sweep tomorrow behind Eovaldi. That would also give us a 4-2 road trip.
Eovaldi needs to get back in a good grove. Last few starts have been pretty bad.
Louie Louie Severino went 8 1/3 innings tonight for AAA Scranton allowing 1 run and 3 hits and is now 3-0. 104 pitches.
Get your brooms ready, fans.
Thanks muchomachoman, many good things happening this weekend.
Steve
You're a little off base here - no one looks at one game to determine how a player has performed. Furthermore no
One looks at one stat. People would looks at chapmans ERA, his saves, his blown saves, etc. to determine how he's been performing over the course of the season. How else are we to evaluate a player other than by looking at his collective stats as a whole?
For the stat frauds out there. Wins are good, losses are bad. Thus lives the WIN METHOD.
Steven F...I have yet to meet the stat fraud who would admit that the 22-5 pitcher with a 4.00 ERA was better than the 12-15 pitcher with a 2.00 ERA.
Steven Fischer, Particularly for a reliever ERA is most meaningless. No question blown save matter, just as losses do compared to wins. Two relievers each with 30 saves, but one has 1 blown save and the other 6 makes a good deal of difference. Eachs ERA is meaningless.
We need all our starters to produce and over the past three weeks Eovaldi has been the poorest.
Lets score some runs early today. Waiting to the seventh inning is hard on the heart.
HAPPY FATHERS DAY to all you WIN METHOD dads out there.
Thanks Patricia. Lets go Yankees.
1-0 Yankees after 2.
1-0 Yanks after 2.
Steve
Typically there's a coorelation between the ERA and the other things- again that's why no one looks at just one stat by itself or makes any judgement on only one game. To say ERA is meaningless is not accurate, if Chapman had a 9 ERA that means he's been giving up a ton of runs, and since he typically pitches in close games, the chances are a lot of those would be big.
Jumbo
I've had this debate a number of times here, but you can say the 22 win had a better season sure, but wins are a really bad way at looking at pitchers in terms of projecting how they're going to perform in the future. If you were going to trade for one of those two pitchers, I'd take the 12 game winner 10/10 times- he consistently allows less runs, which is all a pitcher has control of. He can't control what the offense does.
Yanks lead 2-0 after 5.
2-1 Yanks after 5.
Eovaldi crashes again. Leaves game down 3-2 and his man on third with one out.
Steven Fischer, you still do not understand. I don't care if my pitcher gives up 8 runs in I score 10. I do want him to give up just 2 if I score 3. It is when you produce that matters not how many or how much. If you can't understand that simple concept there is nothing i can do to help you.
Yankees down 5-2 after 6.
Steve
I understand your opinion, but mine is that pitchers don't strategically control WHEN they allow runs. That's not a skill.
Yanks down 6-2 after 7.
Yanks down 7-3 after 8. Keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Yanks go down 7-4.
3-3 road trip. Meh!
The tale of this season so far has been the Yankee failure too often when a hit could mean the game while the opposition is getting that hit.
Steven F, You proved my point. You would take 10 out of 10 times the lower ERA guy in the hoped he can win in the future. In the mean time I take the proven winner and keep on winning.
Jimbo
Yeah that's not a smart way to evaluate the player. There's a reason why not a single 300 win pitcher has a career ERA in the 4s.
By your standards why is everyone here clammoring how good CC has been? He's only 5-4...
Off day tomorrow.
Very unusual week. Two off days and only five games. Time to put things back together?
Steve Fischer, I think you are the only one here lately who really understand WINMETHOD! A lot of these folks have it all wrong. I know WINMETHOD, and he is pretty sad that a lot of people on his blog are getting it wrong while he is off interviewing prospects in Taiwan this week.
OF COURSE you would want the player who gives up half as many runs as the other player (2.00 ERA vs. 4.00 ERA). Scoring more runs than you give up is the only way to WIN games. For a pitcher, giving up fewer runs is the only way to contribute to winning games. There is no such thing as magic, folks, just baseball.
It doesn't matter if one player happened to get lucky in the past. If they are giving up twice as many runs as another guy, they are out. The luck in the past has no bearing on the future. Do you think a great organization like the YANKEES would allow someone with such faulty logic to make all their decisions? NO WAY!! It is so obvious that WINMETHOD would choose the pitcher who gives up half as many runs. Giving up less runs that they other team is the only way to WIN the game. The YANKEES and WINMETHOD use sound reasoning and common sense to win, folks. They don't rely on luck and magic.
This is a very interesting site!! It's so amazing that so many people from all around the world make the same one-line banal quotes (start off on the right foot, do it when it counts, etc.) and have the same logic. Everyone hates the same player and even makes the same spelling errors. Everyone uses the same nickname for those people who are capable of understanding numbers (stat frauds, damn them!)
It's really cool and I have heard about a lot of communities like this where hundreds or thousands of people all slowly come together in personality, ability, temperament, etc. All the people on this site have become one mind, and that is so AWESOME!!
My sister Mickey says the reason everyone thinks and posts the same is because it is simply one guy pretending to be a whole bunch of different people. She is INSANE!! She is a total stat fraud type, too, with a finance job where she uses data and stuff. It's so annoying. She just doesn't get that it's about WINNING! I told her to go into her boss' office and try to get him to understand how to win without any stats or facts or data, but she said that I had her confused with someone running for president. Whatever, who cares about politics? I care about BASEBALL!
Yankees have the day off. Time to pull up their socks, do what they got to go, maybe a little fishing, maybe a smoke, maybe some flapjacks with syrup (can't really eat those on game day because they irritate the duodenum).
If the goal of the baseball season is to win, then why in heck wouldn't you acknowledge the winning players as the best, instead picking whatever odd stat or combination of stats you want and say that tells who is best.
It takes a whole variety of attributes to win and I think it very foolish to say the players who win aren't the best.
WIN METHOD fans. Three posts just in, good for laughs. Deaf, dumb, and blind.
One question for the three stooges, Denton, Connie, and Alexander.
Do you think wins and winning defines the best? A simple yes or so will suffice.
The Cleveland Cavaliers just won the NBA championship. How? They WON WHEN IT MATTERED MOST.
Why the WIN METHOD blog is the best in the world.....Our posters go to baseball forums, post truth, fact, and wisdom, and then get kicked out and not allowed to state our opinion.....Here we let posters state their opinion and we let them make fools of themselves.
Jill...love your three stooges comment. don't hold your breath waiting for the frauds to reply.
Benny...they won the championship exactly how you said. They won when it mattered and counted after going through the season to reach the point they had a chance to become the best.
Eddie...liars, cheats, and fools, aka stat frauds deny free speech. And as you said, here we want them to post their opinions, because they always show how ignorant they are.
It must be an off day for the Yankees today.
Denton, you nincompoop, I want the guy who wins the most, I don't care how many runs he gives up or doesn't give up. You can have the guy who gives up half the runs as my guy, but my guy will beat you because he wins. Your entire post is lies.
Nova and Sabathia in the two game Rockies series.
Where are the three stooges?
William
What you're saying really isn't rooted in reality. If two pitchers were to face off game after game, the one who allows half as many runs consistently throughout the season will win the game.
There's a reason not a single GM in the league evaluates a player soley based on W-L record. There's also a reason there's never been a successful pitcher with a 6.00 ERA (two times what is considered a really good ERA of 3.00).
Steven, I don't think you can understand or accept the concept of winning. First thing, the two pitchers we are discussing do not face each other start after start. They may meet one, two, or maybe three times during a season. Maybe. If your guy gives up two runs, my guy the big time winner will likely throw a shutout. That's how a pitcher wins a lot more the he losses.
William
Yes I can. After years of year of watching baseball, I know the pitchers who are better able to keep runs from scoring, win more games. Those guys who are able to do it year after year, win a lot of games, and go to the hall of fame.
The HIGHEST ERA among hall of fame pitchers is 3.80. Not a single one with an ERA in the 4s, 5s, 6s etc. If you think that's a coincidence, then you're in serious denial.
Steven Fischer, the pitchers who won 300 games are all in the HOF, no matter what their ERA is. The wins are what matters, that is what you are attempting to convolute an deride. Any one of those 300 game winners could easily give up 7 runs and win 10-7 in one game and then throw a shutout and win 2-0 in the next game. It is the win not the ERA that matters.
Example: The Golden State Warriors averaged 115 PPG for this season. Only scored 89 when they lost the biggest game of their season. They also won more games than any other team in the history of the NBA. But couldn't win WHEN IT MATTERED MOST.
There are almost 600 MLB with a lifetime ERA of 3.70 or less. According to you they all should be in the HOF. The 300 game winners are.
Carl
You make arguments based on two game sample sizes, you think way too small. Surely you understand that baseball is a long season that requires consistent positive performance. Sure hall of famers have bad games, everyone does, but 1 game out of 32 starts means very little. Throughout the season they almost always have more good performances than bad (ERA wise) and that leads to high win totals.
The GS warriors averages that many points during the regular season -and they broke a record for most wins ever in a regular season. Your point would seem to indicate that since they didn't score enough, they didn't win - which would seem to indicate that stats do matter? It's sort of a counter argument.
Your last point makes you sound foolish and ignorant. Of course I don't think that. Hall of famers make it because of longevity of good performance and successful careers. the fact that 600 MLB pitchers had a lifetime of 3.7 means nothing, how many years were they able to do that for? My point was that hall of famers all were consistently good performers throughout their careers - and their ERA ultimately shows that.
I have an entire history of the sport supporting my claim -all you have are your hypothetical examples.
Steven Fischer, I think it is you who missed the point. The Golden State Warriors couldn't produce when it mattered, something you ignored. You also suggest that HOF pitcher had one bad game over 32 starts. To have an ERA of 3.50 he likely had maybe 10 or more games allowing 5 or more runs. And that is not even counting unearned runs which seem to be ignored. The 600 MLB pitchers had ERA of 3.70 and less. Not many made the HOF. In your eyes the guys with the lower ERA that couldn't win got hurt and didn't have long enough careers. And you claim I sound foolish and ignorant. I think that shoe is on your foot.
Uh yeah I didn't suggest the one bad game thing at all - you're making things up. They'll have many bad starts, but many more good starts (based on ERA). Everyone has ups and downs throughout the seasons.
And yeah - I'm claiming that of the 600 MLB pitchers with 3.7 ERA, most of them, for various reasons, didn't do it for long enough to warrant HOF consideration. What is foolish or ignorant there? You pitchers who "know how to win" even though they have high ERAs, they don't exist - at least not among the all time greats.
You're literally now resorting to putting words in my mouth to fuel your argument, it's a sorry tactic.
Nine game home stand starts tonight. Nova foes and we need to start winning more consistently.
Steven Fischer, This is what you posted, """"" but 1 game out of 32 starts means very little.""""" Your words and then you claim you did not say that. You then state, """""You're literally now resorting to putting words in my mouth to fuel your argument, it's a sorry tactic.""""" I think lying is a sorrier tactic.
Then you say pitcher low ERAs mean wins. I say a good pitcher wins no matter what his ERA is.
The greatest pitchers win WHEN IT MATTERS.
You also ignore again that the Golden State Warriors could not produce and did not win when it mattered most which defines who is best.
I ignore the Golden State Warriors comments because that has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with the fact that low ERAs in baseball and Wins are connected. Also - you're saying stats outside of wins don't matter - but you're pointing out that GS lost in the finals because they weren't able to score as much. If they scored their average, they would've won. PPG matters just like ERA matters.
1 out of 32 starts means very little, that applies for any 1 game sample size. 1 great start also means very little over the course of the season. That's not me saying, at all, that starters only have 1 bad start or whatever nonsense you spewed.
Again - you've failed to point out these great pitchers, who's greatness was not also supported by their ERA. They're not real.
ERA is to a degree garbage. Mainly because it doesn't hold the pitcher responsible for the all the unearned runs he gives up. That is how the scoring is done and has been done. Let me give an example and I will make it very logical and likely happens almost every day. The pitcher gets two outs while loading the bases. The batter lines a ball into the gap and the center fielder makes a diving catch saving three runs. The pitcher pitched like garbage and gets save by his teammate. Next inning the pitcher gets two outs and then a pop fly to center that the same center fielder drops for an error. The pitcher then walks the next two batters and then a grand slam home run. No earned runs against the pitcher even though he again pitched like garbage and is burying his team. You either win or lose or keep your team in the game with a no decision. ERA is unimportant in the big picture. But ERA makes the stat frauds feel good.
Steven F, you would lead me to believe you would rather have the pitcher in a game that has a 0.00 ERA and allows 5 runs than the pitcher with the 4.00 ERA who wins the game. How sad if that is acceptable to you.
Tommy, so very true. The goal is to win, no pitcher should be demeaned because he wins and no pitcher should be exulted because of his ERA and losses.
Lori, you nailed it.
I'm kind of tired of everyone spinning what I'm saying around: so here's my summary:
It's been said that ERA for a pitcher is meaningless. To me that's not true, it's been proven throughout The history of this game that the pitchers who are better able to keep runs from scoring (as measured by ERA) are the ones who ultimately win the most games. Look at almost all the 300 and 200 game winners and you'll see almost all have good ERAs and were able to post those good ERAs year after year. Case in point, the fact that there's no hall of fame pitcher that has a high ERA but was just able to win - you have to be able to consistently prevent runs in order to win.
Again, you have to look at this info over a full season, or even multiple seasons for relevance (so Lori, your example is decidedly NOT what I'm saying). Additionally, using a one game example is meaningless, anything can happen in one game, but things will even out over a season or better yet, a pitchers career.
If your just looking at wins, I think that's more meaningless than looking at wins and the entire body of work by the pitcher. Kershaw isn't amazing just cause he "knows how to win", he is because he allows almost no runs when he pitches- and that leads to the wins.
What is a low ERA? Who decides what a low ERA is? What is the true ERA when you count all runs scored against the pitcher? FACT: The best pitchers win no matter what their ERA is.
Stephen Fischer..Yep Kershaw does great and wins consistently. Until it comes to the games that matter the most, and then he doesn't win.
Lets start out the home stand win a win tonight. Wins determine who is best.
Lori
You can look at league average and looks who's in the upper 30% - it depends on what the league average is that determines what a low ERA is...
Facts usually have support and evidence, I've yet to see any here...
Stephen F, just did a quick lookup of league ERAS. Found out the Orioles are 4th of 5 AL East teams in ERA, but they are in first place. And their ERA is above league average. The FACT that kills, they have the most wins and are in first place for now. The Orioles are also in the bottom half of all MLB teams. FACT, wins determine who is best.
Hope Nova wins tonight. That is what counts.
You're skewing data now by looking at team ERA.
Their leader in wins - Tillman - has a 3.11 ERA, very sold and below league average, and better than their team average by a wide margin.
More specifically Lori - who are the pitchers on the team that just know how to win despite their high ERAs? You're arguing points and making claims that aren't even relevant to this particular discussion.
Mr. Fischer, you want some facts. Here they are. Every team that has made it to the playoffs did so by amassing wins and wins is what determines what teams go to the playoffs. When baseball first started to play the World Series. Only the team with the most WINS in each league went on to play the World Series. The team that won each World Series did so with WINS.
NO OTHER STAT BUT WINS DETERMINED WHO WENT TO THE WORLD SERIES AND WON THE WORLD SERIES. FACTS DO KILL AND THE WIN METHOD LIVES BY FACT.
Steven F, one player does not make a team. And one player is not responsible for all the Oriole wins.
*sigh*. So done with this conversation. My very initial point was in regards to evaluating individual players, and why looking at wins alone is a silly way to evaluate a pitcher.
You guys need work on your reading comprehension, and make more thoughtful arguments that actually counter the initial point made. At this point you've taken the conversation and veered it so far of course than I'm sick of responding.
johnsondc - calm down, we're talking about baseball, a game. No need to get so worked up (with all the caps).
Steven F, Wins are by far and away the best way to evaluate players and teams. We are right on target when we talk of wins and winning and producing WHEN it matters most. We counter your point in every post. You are unwilling to accept wins, and that leaves you short.
So then Lori, I'm sure you've seen the high praise for CC on this forum.
Why? He's only 5-4?
Steven Fischer, you were done before you started when you do not accept wins and winning as defining the best.
We were swept two games last week in Colorado, lets respond in kind.
Steven Fischer, First off, I do not think CC was ever vilified and or ridiculed on this blog. This has nothing to do with your statement, just setting up my next sentence. CC to announce his addiction, recognize his problem, take the necessary steps to help himself and straightening out his life is admired by Yankee fans here who do not demean anyone but the one true dishonest cheating lying dirtbag 'afraud' on the team. I think most here try to be upbeat and positive. What CC has accomplished is just that.
Several posters here have mentioned CC as the likely AL comeback player of the year. So far so good.
Warren
Was a performance based question, recently some one stated he had been the best pitcher in baseball over his last 7 or so starts. Leaving the off-field stuff just as that, off the field - has CC truly been that impressive? If so - why?
Game time fans.
Nova gives up 3 in 1st and then afraud kills comeback rally with another ground into a double play. Yanks down 3-1.
Steven Fischer, I do not bypass a persons faults and laud anyones ability and fortitude to right themselves. CC is 4-2 in the last 7 starts. I will take that from my pitchers every time all the time, and I will win everything all the time every time.
Yanks down 4-2 after 2.
Warren
I'm done, you've all avoided my question enough. Btw - if you go 4-2, that's not winning everytime- that was a weird comment.
Yanks down 5-2 after 4.
Yankees trail 6-3 thru 5.
Steven Fischer..I would hope you didn't think Warren meant you win every time if you are 4-2 every time all the time. Pretty clear he meant that if all a teams pitchers went 4-2 for the entire season and then the playoffs they would win every series and the World Series all the time. That answered your question.
Oh I didn't know you spoke for everyone bigbadwolf. If he didn't mean it, then he shouldn't have said as such.
Seeing how everyone seems to misinterpret my comments, I feel it only fair if I do the same.
Yanks down 8-4 after 7. Also 0-9 with runners in scoring position.
Steven Fischer, I don't speak for anyone but myself. I just posted the way I read it. Seemed very clear.
Final, Yanks lose 8-4.
One good thing last night all the AL East teams lost, but if we won we would have gained a game on all of them.
Sabathia goes tonight. Lets go CC, lets go Yankees.
The failure to produce when it counts is devastating and produces losses. 0-9 last night produced a loss last night.
The next time we reach .500 baseball i hope we then blow by it.
Thank heaven the three stooges were just hit and run. Complete stat fraud idiots.
Hope CC can keep on chugging along and producing.
Theeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Winnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Crazy game today. Up by 4, then give up 8 unanswered runs to go down by 4, then score 4 to tie the game, then a walk off HR to win it in the 9th.
We needed this win. I wonder if we are setting a trend of avoidance.
The good of today is the team did not give up. The closer bullpen is unbelievable and second to none.
Headley continues to shine offensively and defensively. Beltran would be a golden chip if he didn't have to play the field because we carry the afraud.
Another off day tomorrow.
Izy, I agree, the Yankee lineup would get an immediate boost if afraud was booted off the team on his useless keister.
Through all our injuries we are still in the race.
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