Hello WIN METHOD fans. Trying to keep my promise of posting more this season. Just completed Caribbean portion of my extended road trip looking for WIN METHOD talent for the YANKEES. Found a couple of very viable prospects. Hope they come to fruition. Sorry I can't give you the names. Next, headed to Asia.
Brian Cashman has done a wonderful job this off season and the 2016 season looks very promising. With a very deep starting rotation and a lights out closing threesome the staff looks very solid. There are openings for middle relief and the competition should produce an arm or two. McCann and Sanchez behind the plate bodes well. Throw in a pretty much defined starting infield of Teixeira at first base, Castro at second base, Gregorius at shortstop, and Headley at third base, giving a very nice infield. The outfield looks strong with Beltran, Ellsbury, and Gardner from right to left. Hicks as the fourth man. Spring training is right around the corner and the completion will be for the other roster spots. The roadblock continues to be afraud at designated hitter who is clogging up the youth movement. Alas there is little that can be done on this regard and afraud continues to be the greatest signing blunder by the YANKEES over the past two or three decades.
It will be fun to watch the YANKEE rotation this season. With Masahiro Tanaka, Louis Louis Severion, Micheal Pineda, Nathan Eovaldi, Ivan Nova, CC Sabathia, battling for the five or will it be six starting spots. Bryan Mitchell will be trying to break into the mold while possibly anchoring the middle long reliever role.
Then there are always Ackley, Refsnyder, and Bird to deal with. Beyond that the farm is producing several players on the near and far horizon as Judge and Mateo and others.
Lets think positive, hope the injury bug stays away, and we can make the playoffs with a few more steps after that. As always LETS GO YANKEES.
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You can make that argument that the great fallacy of a win is that a pitcher goes 5 innings only and leads with the lead. The bullpen then must be used in excess, gets burnt out, and ultimately is tired by the end of the season and limits the chances of the team making a deep playoff and world series run.
So in that example the pitcher won a bunch of games, but he ultimately hurt his team in other ways. So how then, does only the win matter?
I don't think anyone would argue giving up less runs gives you a better chance to win. So does scoring more runs give you a better chance to win. Notice, both sentences end in win. Wins are what count and will always determine who was best, be it for a season or a career. Earn enough wins over your career and you can earn entry into the HOF.
Steven Fischer, Your five inning pitched scenario will happen to almost every pitcher at times over a season. No question some more than others, but that is where winning as a team comes in. All players help their team win or lose.
I'll take the 22-10 pitcher over the 16-16 pitcher every time. But it would be logical to see what their records in the couple of years preceding the most recent season. That could change ones decision.
You always look at several things when evaluating a player. The ability to help your team win is really big. Then proportion how much you have to pay for what you get.
If no one would argue that giving up less runs gives you a better chance to win - then why does that not matter to you when you are evaluating players?
I'll say it now for the record. WHATEVER Harper gets if he goes the FA route, WHATEVER he gets, he will not be worth it as a player. But in the right situation he may be worth the financial return a team MAY realize. I would stay away and get two or three players who will help the team win more.
Steven Fischer, it may matter, but no where as much as winning and possibly several other factors.
Warren, no question that Harper will be a big overpay.
Yankee catchers had big workout today.
Steven Fischer and Frank D. III,
I agree with you guys. I'll always take a pitcher with a 1.88 ERA over 4.35 ERA. That pitcher is giving up less than half as many runs. That's a pitcher's job. How else does a pitcher win games (in the AL) other than by preventing runs? Magic?
Honestly, I don't think it's possible for so many people here to all have the same shaky grasp on logic, all use the same weird terms (e.g. "stat fraud"), all hate the exact same player (ARod).
Most people have jobs where they need to understand the distinction between process and outcomes. It's odd that so many people can simultaneously and nearly unanimously fail at this in precisely the same way.
But I do hold out the idea that I am wrong, and that GMs fool us into thinking they care about stats, like a bunch of frauds would. Maybe they count up wins that a player's teams have had over their career (or the last year, or last 3 years?) and sign those players. I'm sure the Yankees tried to acquire they players of the Cardinals, Royals, Blue Jays, Pirates, etc., but you can't always get them. The Yankees did get Castro from the Cubs, and the Cubs won a lot of games last year. So this seems like a really good move. But the Yankees also got Chapman from the Reds, and the Reds were pretty terrible. I'm starting to think maybe this is a terrible move. Actually, it makes no sense that they got Chapfraud. His team didn't win very much, and wins are what it is all about!! So I'm counting down the days until they get rid of Chapfraud!!
Who's with me? Down with Chapfraud! Down with Chapfraud!!
It's pretty clear now that the Yankees are rebuilding and preparing to sign Harper. I think Yankee fans will be happy when he is here! He helps his team win games more than any other player (not named after a fish...referring to Tim Salmon, Kevin Bass, and Jeremiah Scrod).
I saw a game once and Harper played and his team (Washington) won the game. AWESOME! Win Method!! We are going to love Harper in pinstripes (unless the Yanks switch from pinstripes to some other pattern by then).
Warren Hammond said...
I'll say it now for the record. WHATEVER Harper gets if he goes the FA route, WHATEVER he gets, he will not be worth it as a player. But in the right situation he may be worth the financial return a team MAY realize. I would stay away and get two or three players who will help the team win more.
February 19, 2016 at 4:21 PM
Hi all,
It's great to see such a diverse and international community here. People posting from all over the world! I am in Singapore myself, and got into baseball while I lived in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, which is a baseball-crazy city.
I have started coming to this blog because I'm really interested in the idea of a novel way to identify baseball talent. We've all seen how successful "Moneyball" was as a book and a film. This idea that the most successful franchise in a major sport from 1995-2010 is using this exciting and mysterious WIN METHOD (TM...is it trademarked?) is fascinating to me and would be to many others. I am in the publishing and film industry, and it seems WIN METHOD could be worth about $60 million USD in terms of a book advance and royalties, film optioning rights, maybe even an urban clothing line or children's program for the uplifting message that "winning is what matters".
I wonder how much it would cost to secure the author of WIN METHOD. I know it may cost a lot to buy out the agreement with the Yankee owner. But I can make a rough proposal to the CFO. All I will need is the following:
1. Provide a 5 step outline of how WIN METHOD works (e.g. STEP 1: interview amateur players; STEP 2: add up how many wins professional players have participated in; etc.)
2. Rough outline of authorship expenses
3. List of potential actors for film adaptation. (my suggestions are Liam Neeson to play WinMethod, Ralph Fiennes to play a young Joe Torre, Mel Gibson to play George Steinbrenner, Margot Robbie as Suzyn Waldman)
Look forward to doing business with you!
Jimmy Soong
Managing Partner
Partridge Publishing
Singapore
It appears we may have a couple of frauds posting the last two comments. If anything the posts are humorous and provide levity. It looks like neither poster understands the WIN METHOD since there are incorrect assumptions made by both posters. C'est la vie.
Alexandre, most of us call him afraud here, for documented and irrefutable reasons. I do understand that far too many people in the world accept lying, cheating, stealing, and corruption as a way of life. Hope you are not one of them.
Hello Alexandre, do you know that pitchers can lose games with 0.00 ERAs? Wins are earned by all members of the team working together offensively and defensively to score runs and prevent runs. a pitchers job is to keep his team in the game as long as possible with the help of his team mates. No one wins a game by himself. Since baseball began pitchers have earned wins for their team based on rules of scoring that baseball men created. The object of the game is to win, nothing else matters no matter what you or any of your ilk want to believe. You are free to go losing with ERA, but I will go on winning with wins.
Anonymous posts and then uses a name with no address. Action people, we gat crap posting again. Fun time.
Billy
If you a team doesn't evaluate players using things like ERA, you're going to lose more often than not.
Does giving young players the chance to develop, even if they might struggle at first and cost the team a win or two, matter?
Does a pitcher going 9 innings, even in a 1-0 loss, helping a tired bullpen that needed a day of rest matter?
Does a struggling hitter getting a big hit in a big situation to restore his confidence matter?
What a sad, ignorant comment to say that winning is the only thing that matters in baseball. Do you even watch the game, or do you just read the box scores every day?
Steven Fischer, I will answer your questions by paragraph.
1.That is not true.
2.Pitchers develop in the minors, when they are brought into the majors they are expected to win except in very un-ordinary circumstances.
3.If the pitcher gave up the one run in the first 7 innings, completing the game to give the bullpen is not bad if it doesn't hurt him. If ye gives up the run in the 8th or 9th inning the manager will get crucified by all too many fans. Even though the decision was to completely give the bullpen off. The manager may have had to use the bullpen anyways if his team tied the game in the 9th.
4.Any hit in a big situation matters no matter who the hitter is.
5.I think it is far more sad to think that anything other than winning is more important to winning regarding baseball.
1. It is true, there's a reason why literally no team, literally none, evaluates players using just wins.
2. They develop in the minors, and they develop in the majors. Young pitchers are continually developing. Many great players struggle when first in the majors as they are developing, and can ultimately be great - there are literally countless examples. Young pitchers are not finished products when they get to the majors.
3. My point that going deep into games is important, that's why pitchers are evaluated on it. If you have a pitcher that continually goes 5 innings, even if he wins, he's going to gas your bullpen, and decrease your chances at winning in the future. It's hugely important, that's why Girardi is constantly talking of the important of the starters giving him innings.
4. By saying this, you contradict your previous post when you say "The object of the game is to win, nothing else matters no matter what you or any of your ilk want to believe." So thanks.
5. Winning is the most important thing for sure, but there are many factors that go into a winning team, all of them are important.
Steven Fischer, all of what you state is your opinion and not gospel. There is logic in everything you have stated, but none of it takes away form the winning of each game being the most important thing in baseball. As to point 4. You did not define 'big situation' and different people may have different interpretations, therefore I did not contradict myself. Your point 5 encapsulates all people here believe, there are many factors that go into winning, but in your own words """Winning is the most important thing for sure,""""
It looks like there may have been a few new posters here. At least they were fun reading.
Billy
I find it a little strange that you're able to respond to my post prior to it being posted for the public to see. My post and your response were posted simultaneously, how is that possible?
To say winning is the most important thing versus winning is the ONLY thing are night and day.
There are many hugely important components that go into win. Teams should and do look at all at them. Otherwise teams would be able to evaluate players just by looking at box scores and standings.
Should we be using only box scores and standings to evaluate players?
Steven Fischer, I don't know, your post was there when I logged on.
I think the winning is the only thing is being taken out of context. That is easy on typed messages, but are cleared pretty quickly when discussed face to face. When you are playing a game winning is the only thing and the only result you want. Evaluating a player is the WIN METHOD interview as being most important.
Sa far so good this spring. Can't wait until the kids show what they have in games.
Everybody to camp next week and then the action kicks off.
Looks like hit and run stat frauds earlier today.
Really rooting for Sabathia. He may really try to prove something for himself. That could be awesome for the team.
Tom, I hope for the best for CC. How about comeback player of the year.
I'm on board for CC.
If Sabathia can recover and be effective, that will solidify the Yankee rotation and be a giant step to the division title. All he has to do is win.
Hit and run stat frauds passed thru. One Barbara Streisand post with no defense.
Hello everyone, or as we say here in Egypt, "Bon Jour!" :)
This is definitely the best blog for us Yankee fans, especially international like me. I hear so much about big business in New York (and certainly some down the river in Cairo) that are using data and numbers and computers and things to make business decisions. I think these are things people do to make themselves seem smart. But then there is common sense...WIN METHOD!
It's so refreshing to know that a great organization like the 15-time champion NEW YORK YANKEES uses some common sense to run the team. Why rely on spreadsheets, stats, calculations (I don't like to say "fraud" like you guys, that is mean, I think they are just confused). Just sign the players who win games for their teams!! How hard is this to understand?
What does a team want to do? Win!
Who will help a team win? The best players!!
Who are the best players? The ones who win!!!
Even a small animal like a stoat or a vole should understand this logic, let alone a human.
Oh, guys...one other thing- are any of you close to the blog author, Mr. Win Method himself? I saw the book publishing offer from Partridge in Singapore (my daughter has some partridge books here in El Minya). This seems like such a great idea for a book or movie, and I think much better than "Moneyballs". Sure, the Oakland A were a good team for a poor team, but the NEW YORK YANKEES were the best team overall from 1996-2010, just like Mr. Soong says, and confirmed by Wikipedia. The idea that the very BEST team had such a unique double=part strategy (I read all the old 2009 posts explaining WIN METHOD) of 1. interviews and 2. sign only winning players is so simple and amazing, like a shoehorn!
But most fascinating is that everyone thinks front office guys or scouts or fancy numbers and computers may be responsible, but it is mostly (according to the blog posts I read) due to Mr. Win Method himself- is the most amazing part of the story. I can certainly see how Mr. Soong thinks this could be a movie, even besides the success of the other baseball movie "Moneyballs". It is like a movie because you go through it all thinking that the success is caused by the big flashy thing, but really it is caused by something small or unknown. It reminds me of the Usual Suspects movie or like the song "Ironing" by Al Anis Morriset.
So if you guys do know the blog author, hope you can convince him to write a nice book, as it will get to more people than the blog. Also, maybe since Win Method story reminds me of usual suspects, maybe Kevin Spacey should play Win Method role.
Also, maybe you can ask him a few things to catch us up on here at the blog. I read a 2009 post that said WinMethod flew to Panama and was personally responsible for the signing of unknown Mariano Rivera. Maybe ask him to post more on the experience (do not need to share information about questions, just a nice story). Also maybe for other players that he helped find using WIN METHOD that built the good teams back in the good old days. For example, did he find Derek Jeter? Any other good stories about a good player WIN METHOD targeted but the Yankees missed, or any WIN METHOD targeted that didn't work.
Thanks, and as we say here in Egypt, Arrivaderci! :)
Ebenezer, did you ever hear the saying, garbage in garbage out. That is exactly what you get from computers. Information is entered and the computer makes decisions from that information. Weather computers do exactly that. When there are storms the computer spews out decisions on possible strength, direction, etc. There may be ten to twenty different scenarios the computer gives out. I rather stick with the WIN METHOD which gives only one, the right one.
Ebenezer, I guess you know nothing about interviews. Any blooming idiot can get a degree in this era with the dumbing down that's going on. To get a great job, you have to pass the interview. Shape up or ship out.
I agree guys. Knowing CC's mentality, if he has anything in the tank he could be a big asset.
If CC does do as much as many are looking for here it means either a six man rotation or someone goes to the bullpen.
Wasn't there a song back in the day, Ebenezer was a bullfrog.
sid, it was Jeremiah and I know you knew that. LOL
Just like stat frauds, looking to make money for something they know nothing about nor believe.
Yankees signed a guy named Parmalee out of the Oriole organization for minor league protection at first base. He can try to make the team during spring training.
Everything going well in Tampa.
Parmalee likely can't break into the Yankee team unless a major injury to Tex occurs.
One thing for sure, stat frauds do not know baseball.
Lets have a great winning 2016 season guys. Just do it.
Everybody is in camp. Begin the march to the playoffs.
Lets go Yankees.
Let the games begin, spring training games where players get a chance to show what they are made of.
The Yanks Mateo sure looks good. He could really turn out to be something special.
Play to win as a team, take each others back, smile, and be happy.
Mateo's teams in 2015 were both under .500, don't believe he was playing WINMETHOD baseball.
Refsynder may get some time at third and first base this spring and he said he is open to anything to help the team. Sounds WIN METHOD, doesn't it?
Roy, looks like you are in a space warp.
Poor Roy. Doesn't know baseball very much. Roy, you may want to join a baseball forum. You are in over your head here.
How do you mean?
"WINS and WINNING will always define the best players". It's right in the blog, Mateo struggled with this last year and still has a lot to prove.
What are you rating him so high based off?
I would appreciate it if you would back up your comments with support rather than just make derogatory comments. Thanks!
It is WHEN you produce that matters.
I agree, and Mateo didn't produce when it mattered most to win games as his team's records indicate.
So what that he's fast and can steal bases. I want my players to WIN and win consistently. Until he proves he can do that, he's nothing special to me.
Who's with me!?!?
Roy, you earn derogatory comments by not knowing what you are talking about. Mateo is rated by WIN METHOD and signed because of that. Young players are taught how to win as a team and not play for yourself. They are taught to develop their skills and abilities, learn the demands and what it takes to be a major league baseball player. This is all taught at the lower levels and as each player develops and learns more he is moved up the ladder in a teams system. You want to learn how to win and winning is the sole goal of major league teams. That is WHEN it counts. So, do not make up things and come to conclusions unless you use common sense and know what you are talking about.
Will-I-am
I know exactly what I'm talking about, Jorge Mateo's teams did not perform well last year, that's a fact. Mateo was a 16 year kid when he signed four long years ago, don't think that an interview at 16 is going to tell you everything you need to know about him. He also didn't speak English, so I imagine there was a great language barrier. I only judge players based on winning. I don't look at stats at all. I see he struggled with winning last year so he still has a LOT to learn. Winning and knowing how to win is ALL that matters, anytime you step on the field should be to WIN, doesn't matter where, when, or at what level.
End of story.
Roy, You are correct as to Mateo having not proven anything yet. The goal for him and the Yankee organization is that he will prove he can help a team win and earn playoffs at the major league level. At the loser end of the minor league level all he needs to do is learn baseball and how to play the game for the success of the team.
I'm with WIN METHOD who has a proven record of success for over 20+ years.
Roy, when you are talking of a major league baseball team, yes winning is everything, but not at the lower levels leagues where learning and development matter. The WIN METHOD was designed for the Yankees at the major league level. That is when we find out if the player selected can deliver and perform when it matters most. It is pretty much useless if a player can produce superb minor league numbers and can't do the same in the majors. The goal is to win at the major league level.
Why do you think he's anything special? I was ridiculed pretty good for stating that he hasn't shown to be a winning player - but no one has said why they believe he could be anything promising. Until he proves he can win on a consistent basis, he's just another guy - same as all the other guys in the minors. There's nothing that tells me he has any more promise or potential than the next guy. Once he starts to lead his team to victory on a consistent basis, then I'll pay attention.
Roy, I think will-i-am mentioned in an earlier post that WIN METHOD selected him. Enough said, that is what counts. Time tells the story. If he makes it to the big leagues WIN METHOD would be right. If he makes it to the big leagues and helps lead his team to multiple post seasons, WIN METHOD is brilliant. If he doesn't cut it and goes no where, WIN METHOD was wrong. It's the interview. You can tell almost anything from the interview when you know what you are doing and how to do it. Profiling.
So I know nothing about baseball because I don't think some one is special just because he passed an interview for years ago? How do you even know he interviewed with WINMETHOD, he can't interview every single prospect and baseball player in the world.
Roy, believe what you want to believe. Just don't try to tell me what is fact. I've been around a long time. I guess you don't think there are people who make careers out of interviewing and profiling.
When the heck did I ever say that.
Fact - There is no way one person can interview every major league player, minor league prospect, and international prospect the Yankees scout. Keep in mind there were 1215 players taken in the MLB draft last year alone. That's not including all the international guys. That's not including all the major league guys. So again he can't interview everyone, or even a very large fraction, and thus you are just making an assumption when you claim every player was interviewed.
Fact - only winning determines the best players. Until Mateo proves he's a winner, he's just another guy.
The goal of the WIN METHOD is to win and earn playoffs, pennants, and World Series rings at the major league level. The goal is not what anyone with an opinion wants to think it should be.
To be the best over a players career they must help their team to playoffs, and more at the highest level in baseball. Winning in low level baseball and not being able to win at the highest level therefore means little to nothing.
Oh my gosh, can't everyone see the difference between minor league and major league baseball. Common sense people, that is all it is, to be the best you have to win at the best (highest) level. There are players in the minors who are career minor leaguers and or players moving down the ladder.
That's all I've been saying, winning is the goal of every game played. A player who can't win in the minors certainly is going to have trouble winning at the majors. Every time the players take the field - the goal is to WIN.
Roy, what you have been saying is incorrect. What Sharon said is correct. The goal in the minors is to develop and be able to help lead your team at the major league level. A team can try to win at lower levels, but the emphasis is on player development and players moving up the ladder to try to reach and be of value at the major league level.
The way I see it, it is very difficult to rate winning in the minors when players are not all trying for the same goal. A career minor leaguer who can't make the bigs and a older player who has dropped down from the bigs because he can't cut it anymore are not playing for the same goals. The youngsters are developing and moving up, while the career minor leaguer is playing for a paycheck as is the veteran who has dropped down likely because of age. In the majors, hopefully everyone is trying to reach the playoffs as a team and doing what they can to help their team the most. Seems, like all players would be doing this, but there are far to many who do not. Don't hustle, play for their own stats, etc.
And pray tell how you measure that development? It's by winning, until he starts winning, he's no more special than anyone else. Sharon didn't say anything that went against what I was saying - You have to win at the lower levels to prove you are ready to win at the highest levels, and be the best. So Guy, what I'm saying has not been incorrect.
Winning should be all that matters when a player steps on the field.
Roy, I think you missed everything I posted. Or ignored it. Either is fine. To each their own.
For clarification, the WIN METHOD was designed for the New York Yankees at the major league level.
Don't cop out. WINMETHOD can be applied to all sports, leagues and competition in which the object is to WIN. A players sole objective should be to develop into a winning player, learn how to win, and win. Winning is all that matters, and as such should be the only way we judge a player on the field. Mateo might learn how to win, but he showed last year he is not close to being there yet.
Jack - Correct me where I am wrong but you said it's hard to judge winning in the minors because people play for different things. Then you said major leaguers should all be playing to win BUT that there are also players that play for different things. So in both the majors and minors there are players who have different motives rather than win. So by your theory it would be hard to judge players in either league based off of wins. You essentially said very little that was meaningful. Wins are all that matters, a player should be able to overcome any non-winning players regardless of the situation. The Yankees minor leaguers should be by and large WINMETHOD since he interviewed them all.
Roy, You may feel the WIN METHOD can be used for all sports. As far as I know it has never been tried. I version of it could be being used anywhere. There is no claim for it by anyone here. WIN METHOD created and developed based on baseball and baseball only. You can't teach a low life, liar, cheat, degenerate, a person with no character or integrity to be a team player, nor how to win. A graduate of Princeton can be a dirt bag pig, while a kid from Idaho State can be just the kind of person a team or a company needs and wants.
I'm referring to using WINMETHOD as a player evaluation tool. I evaluate players based on one thing and one thing only - their ability to win. I don't care about interviews or anything like that because at the end of the day, only one thing matters - winning.
There are cop outs here. The WIN METHOD was created by a man who grew up a Yankee fan and had access to the Yankee players. Any perceived use or suggested use of it by anyone else is as meaningless as individual stats telling who is the best.
Baseball is baseball. Winning is winning. The game is as universally the same as winning as the goal. The only meaningless thing is you post.
WIN METHOD rules, Roy does not. Sorry guy, you lose.
Sorry Roy, but your opinion is only your opinion. It appears to be the opinion of someone who is trying to make up their own rules. Screwed up rules at that.
My "rules" are that only winning determines the best players. Winning is the sole purpose of playing the game, and should be every players goal.
Please tell me how that is any different than your beliefs?
Todd Griffin
The real loser is someone who does not believe winning determines the best and greatest.
Winning does determine the best teams and players at the major league level where a player can go no higher than helping his team win the most, earn playoffs and more.
How else can evaluate the minor leaguers other than their ability to WIN?? Stats - Meaningless! Interview which no one knows if actually happened - Means nothing if they cannot produce wins on the field! Players play to win, wins determine the best.
How do you evaluate the Yankee prospects if not through their ability to win?!?
The competition for middle relief innings is up for grabs. Let the best men win.
As a young talent matures and develops his skills under tutelage of professionals, he is moved up the ladder closer to the majors. The WIN METHOD qualified player who has already shown his character, willingness to learn, the desire to play for the Yankees and help the team win will stand out. That alone is why so many WIN METHOD selected players move to the majors.
You are misguided bigbadwolf, as you say so many players have moved up to the majors - yet the Yankees recently have been one of the worst at developing talent! Among our starting lineup, there is only ONE player developed by the Yankees (Brett Gardner). Among our starting pitchers, only ONE is developed by the Yankees (Severino), Possibly two is you Nova makes it- who was terribly not win-method at 6-11 last year. The bullpen is the only place where we have home grown talent, but the bullpen is the easiest place to find players in - as they are simply pitchers who fail at starting! Even there two of our top 3 bullpen pieces are from other organizations.
How then do you reconcile the Yankees lack of success in developing in-house talent with your thoughts on WIN METHOD being so successful? Maybe the Yankees aren't focusing enough on winning and teaching winning culture at the Minor League level. Why have we been so poor at developing winning players in-house?!?!
Hate to burst your bubble Roy, but WIN METHOD interviews potential trade prospects and potential FA's. Like CC, Teix, Ells, Headley, Castro , McCann Pineda, etc. You seem oblivious to what is going on and all to willing to question the winningest organization in baseball since WIN METHOD came aboard.
Hate to burst your bubble Steve, but we were having a topic strictly relating to minor league talent. I said developing in-house talent multiple times. Also hate to burst your bubble, but an organization talking with trade targets is illegal and considered tampering within MLB rules. The only oblivious one here, clearly, is you.
Don't forget Warren and Montero and a few others traded away for talent. Plus Cano for what he is getting paid would have been a disaster to keep.
Roy, for your info. WIN METHOD is not an employee of the Yankees. He does interviews of players in every aspect of the game. Everything he does is legal.
The Yankee record under WIN METHOD speaks for itself. That says it all. No other organization can match what the Yankees have accomplished over the past 20 years.
Deb - don't be foolish, if he is paid by and working on behalf of the Yankee organization, it breaches the rules. I would hope the Yankees are of a higher moral capacity than to do practice what amounts to cheating. Having worked for MLB for 20+ years I'm fully aware of what is and what is not allowed under the rules.
Victor - I don't want to live in the past. The Yankees success over the last 20 years is tied almost exclusively to the '96-'00 stretch run. What happened in the 15 years since has been a mixed bag, to say the least.
Wow, Roy- seems like you are the only one here that this really WIN METHOD. The rest are all stats frauds trying to make excuses about how winning doesn't matter. Jack Gordon posted the whole "it's his teammates' fault" excuse that stat frauds commonly use.
My biggest fear has always been that WIN METHOD followers would forget that it's WINS that matters, and nothing else. If a player is not winning in the minor leagues, he does not have what it takes. End of story. I'm so sick of the stats frauds that do not understand this simple concept.
I am sad that even former WIN METHOD devotees like BigBadWolf have lost their way. It's WINS that matter, not some stats schmats or some bogus story about how minor leaguers don't really need to WIN, just to "develop". It's called WIN METHOD for a reason!
Wow, Roy- seems like you are the only one here that this really WIN METHOD. The rest are all stats frauds trying to make excuses about how winning doesn't matter. Jack Gordon posted the whole "it's his teammates' fault" excuse that stat frauds commonly use.
My biggest fear has always been that WIN METHOD followers would forget that it's WINS that matters, and nothing else. If a player is not winning in the minor leagues, he does not have what it takes. End of story. I'm so sick of the stats frauds that do not understand this simple concept.
I am sad that even former WIN METHOD devotees like BigBadWolf have lost their way. It's WINS that matter, not some stats schmats or some bogus story about how minor leaguers don't really need to WIN, just to "develop". It's called WIN METHOD for a reason!
Steve,
It's clear here that Roy is the only pure WIN METHOD disciple and the others are losing their way. WIN METHOD does NOT interview players on other teams. He makes very clear that the interviews are the method for signing amateur talent.
Players with actual major league experience are evaluated by how much they help their team WIN. The players play to WIN the game, and WINS define the best players. Mr. Win Method has made this very clear in His many many posts on this blog, and I'll prefer that you not commit blasphemy by altering His teachings to fit your own personal stats-driven agenda.
Roy, WIN METHOD is not paid on behalf of the Yankee organization. You are making up things you know absolutely nothing about. You keep posting nonsense an innuendo trying to demean the greatest talent evaluator and the greatest talent evaluation method ever created. You also try to disparage the FACT the Yankees have had the most success in MLB over the past 20 years. It does appear you are a stat fraud no matter how you slice it, only here to try to belittle a great man.
Roy you seem to be letting emotion cloud your judgment, I am presenting facts. If he is paid by the steinbrenners and working on behalf of the organization it is illegal practice. It makes no difference what umbrella the paycheck comes from. Tell me how have we fared the last 15 years? what has our recent playoff success been. We need to focus on wins and winning! I care nothing about stats or interviews, winning and winning alone, that's what it's about
Wow, a double poster.
People should not be told they have lost their way by people who do not know the way.
Legal information. If a person has a proprietary agreement with another person the information is and agreement is between the two parties and no one or no other entity is involved. Completely legal.
Roy, little fella, since you did not create, and know very little about the WIN METHOD, you are in no position to try to tell true WIN METHOD followers how it works or how you think it should work.
I read those stupid posts from Erica Nguyen, and thought for a moment someone was trying to use my name. I caught the difference in spelling however before I went on a rant. None the less, the Nguyen posts do not come near my beliefs.
Love ya, WIN METHOD
Frank, foolish fella, my belief is that winning determines the greatest players, stats don't matter, winning trumps all. Players value is based solely on if they can lead their team to greatness. Now, please tell me where your beliefs differ from my own.
William - If WINMETHOD is being hired by Steinbrenners to interview players on other teams on behalf of the Yankee organization, talking to the players directly, and reporting information back to the Yankees, he is acting as an agent of the Yankees it is tampering. The agreement between the Yankees and WINMETHOD is not illegal, but the act of speaking to players current employed by other teams is NOT legal under MLB guidelines.
I think Roy is just trying to ruffle some feathers. He is only embarrassing himself. Especially when he tries to degrade the Yankees last 20 years of being the best in baseball.
Tom - Who's degrading? You're correct the Yankees have been the best in the last 20 years. However how long are we going to hold onto the '96-'00 run, where 4 of those world series victories took place. As amazing as it was - it's over, and the last 15 years we have been surpassed by other teams - namely the giants and, as much as it breaks my heart to say, the Red Sox. The only one's embarrassing themselves are the one's that complain about what I say but don't actually have any support or evidence to say why I am wrong. This includes you.
Roy, you may want to read up on a proprietary contract between two people. The Yankee name nor the Yankee organization are not involved. Great lawyers can find ways around most anything.
Wednesday March 2nd is the first spring training game. Against the Tigers. Let the fun begin.
Slow and easy guys. No matter what Roy thinks these games mean nothing.
Gus - You're now putting wins in my mouth, spring training games are irrelevant. I do not misquote you so please do not do so with me.
William - don't act naïve and foolish. This is not a legal issue it's a MLB policy issue. If someone is acting on behalf of the Yankees, reporting directing to the owners, is around the team and interacting with players and coaches, how can you say that the Yankee organization is not involved. I refuse to believe that an organization with as much integrity as the Yankees would resort to knowingly violating MLB tampering policy, and essentially cheating.
I have asked a number of you direct questions and have yet to receive responses, why is this so?
There is absolutely no way that WIN METHOD interviews players under contract with other teams. I think some people are misunderstanding things. It happens.
But there is no reason not to believe that WIN METHOD doesn't fly around the world, interviewing hundreds or thousands of potential amateur signings on behalf of the Yankee organization. That much is clear and obvious. One example was when he flew to Panama to personally interview Mariano Rivera, as he notes in the blog in 2009. There is plenty of evidence of this. If you don't believe this, you are clearly a stats fraud trying to get all statty with your stats and stuff.
I truly believe in WIN METHOD and the power of the hundreds or thousands of interviews that he does with players all over the world, in Spanish, in Korean, in Japanese, in Hokkien, in Dutch Creole, etc. He is an amazing man and he learned it all from hanging out with great Yankees like Mickey Mantle. The evidence? Look at the last 20 years. All clearly from the WIN METHOD.
The moral of the story is that players play to WIN the game, and WINS are all that matter. The logic is so easy to understand, unless you use stats. WINS are all that matter, except when they don't (like in the minors). In these cases, interviews matter. Also sometimes training people to win by losing.
Another important part of WIN METHOD is the Chapman corollary. Chapman's team didn't win much, but he gave a really good interview with WIN METHOD before Chapman handled his immigration. WIN METHOD remembered this interview 5 years later and made the trade happen. Chapman also showed that he is WIN METHOD by not going to jail for domestic violence.
Unfortunately, some frauds don't understand all the complicated aspects of the WIN METHOD system. I would draw these imbeciles a diagram of the simple WIN METHOD logic on a cocktail napkin, but they would probably just wind up getting all their stats on it and junk.
WIN METHOD forever!! Believe in it or perish!!
Jimmy, a very sad parody. Good for a smile or two. Basically utter garbage. It is more important to not just delete, since it illustrates so well the ignorance of some people who hate winning and hate the WIN METHOD.
Roy, your delusional. WIN METHOD does not work for a team. He has a proprietary agreement with one individual. Baseball policy does not supersede the law. WIN METHOD can talk to whomever he wishes just as you can. All you would need is the access. You may want to brush up on the ability to profile while talking with someone.
Who cares what some stat frauds think. Lets get back to WIN METHOD baseball.
William - You're literally spewing nonsense. One - no one is saying that baseball policy supersedes law. MLB Policy is separate than laws. Case in point, Chapman is not getting charged with any domestic violence, but he can still get suspended by the MLB (and probably will). Two - if Hal Steinbrenner is paying some one to gather information on players signed under contract and report back to him, that is going against MLB POLICY. There's no debating it, it violates not only the spirit of the Tampering rule, but also the rule itself.
Louie Louie to start first spring training game tomorrow.
Roy, WIN METHOD is talking to players. You are the one claiming he is gathering information about players. Therefore anyone who talks to any player is gathering information. I would hope so, that is how the news is reported. Wake up guy.
William - What is he talking to them about and for what purpose?
Also what a silly analogy, reporters are employed by news outlets to release news to the public, they're not hired by team owners to use information internally to make player evaluation decisions. I can't believe you would try to pass that off as an intelligent response.
LOUIE LOUIE.
While Roy is posting on this blog, WIN METHOD is out talking to players. I'll ride with WIN METHOD.
Give it a rest Roy. Smarter men than us know what they are doing.
The stat frauds are mad that the WIN METHOD buries their meaningless numbers.
You can put your faith in fake interviews. I'll put mine in wins.
Roy, the interviews are what helps create the wins. I know because I have been to several to try to learn and maybe takeover, but there is no way I can do and see in people what he does.
The players working as a unit towards a goal and having the talent to execute on the field are what create the wins. The interviews are a lame excuse you use to justify why minor leaguers are special.
Louie Louie starts todays first spring training game.
Chapman gets and accepts 30 game suspension from MLB. Won't be available until first week in May.
Roy you said """"""""""The players working as a unit towards a goal and having the talent to execute on the field are what create the wins. The interviews are a lame excuse you use to justify why minor leaguers are special.""""""
First sentence is solid thinking and real. The finding those players who want to play and work together as a unit to win games, playoffs, pennants, and the WS is what the WIN METHOD is and does better than any other tool in baseball. Without the interview and profile teams are just grasping at straws in their signings. The WIN METHOD provides a higher degree of accuracy and therefore provides and has proven for decades now, more wins, pennants, playoffs, and WS,
Your second sentence is pure BS, and a lame excuse to try to discredit the WIN METHOD. The interviews provide the best suited players to achieve the team goals the most often.
You give full credit to one man for all the Yankees success from over 15 years ago while placing none of the blame for their recent struggles on him. You suggest this interview is the most critical aspect of player analysis - yet provide no information on the interview itself. You fail to reflect on how poor the Yankees have been in developing internal talent as compared to the rest of the league.
There is pure BS here for sure, but it is not coming from me. Look in a mirror.
Todays game live on MLB TV. Louie Louie.
Too many businesses only go through the motions to meet legal obligations when they do interviews. That way they can say we interviewed a great diversity of candidates and this is who we chose. A better interviewer has select questions and looks for select responses. An even better interviewer uses facial expressions and body movements. Then there are the interviewers who can also profile candidates in order to try find the special person for their bosses business. Then their is the best of the best, WIN METHOD.
That was about as generic a response as I could have expected from you. No information has ever been provided on how the interview is set up, the format of the interview, what types of questions or topics are discussed.
It also neglects that you can find some one with the perfect mindset, but still has to execute in actually Winning - which is still the most important thing.
Roy, the Yankees are struggling in your eyes. They are competitive in mine. Can they win the WS every year, No way!. Can they win the pennants every year, No way!. Can they make the playoffs every year, No way! Then Yankees have done very well on developing talent internally.
The Yankees have been at a consistent disadvantage, having to draft far down in the pecking order every season. I understand it is hard for you to comprehend, but even when the Yankees may really want a certain player, he may not be available when the Yankees time to select come around. You mention that no information is being provided regarding interviews. What part of proprietary do you not understand?
Deb F
A proprietary agreement is a legal agreement between two parties regarding how information will be handled and shared. The exact conditions of the agreement may vary but it is usually an agreement of non-disclosure of information. Non-disclosure means that the person or business receiving the information is forbidden from sharing it with any third parties without permission from the party disclosing the information. As a general rule, proprietary agreements are designed to protect a party’s proprietary information, such as business practices, pricing data, customer lists, and technical information. In addition, these agreements are typically intended to ensure that any party receiving proprietary information uses it only for the purposes expressly permitted in the agreement. A proprietary agreement may be referred to as a proprietary nondisclosure or confidentiality agreement. The agreement may also have a specified time limit in which non-disclosure will apply.
Seeing that you or I haven't read the "agreement" you condescending tone is pretty ridiculous. I would think the specific information obtained within the interview would be what is confidential, not the structure and methods of interviewing itself.
You can quit acting like you're more intelligent than I am. I've illustrated before that we do not have as many homegrown players as the a majority of other teams. It's been getting better recently but for the 10-15 years we've struggled to develop talent. It's forced us to turn more heavily to the free agent market and increase our payroll to high levels. I can comprehend that there's been a disadvantage with the draft order, but I would think having the "best talent evaluator in the world" would of made up for that and we'd have been at least a little more successful.
Thanks for trying.
Game time
Over the past 10 seasons the Yankees have been to the playoffs 7 times and won a World Series. Not as good as the previous 10 seasons, but very acceptable in my opinion.
Not good enough Phil, some people want perfection. You don't make the playoffs every year, you stink. Even the best do not win all the time. Some people.
Roy, being more intelligent than you is not an act. It is an actuality.
Maybe being the oldest poster here, when I was a kid all a team had to do was win their league and they were in the WS. Has baseball expanded the playoffs came into existence. The playoffs expanded through the years and it is a long haul to get into the WS nowadays.
Yankees come from 7-0 down to lead 8-7 after 8.
Deb
Will believe it when you actually refute anything I say. You have not been able to successfully. The fact that was all you had to say in response to my post is telling.
Walk off 10-9 win for Yanks today in a meaningless game. As the stat frauds go berserk playing with, convoluting, and analyzing everyones stats.
Roy, success is in the eye of the beholder. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. That most people do not agree with your opinion is refute in itself. Phil Jenkins posted that in his opinion the Yankees have been successful for the past ten seasons.
Deb
For literally the third time, I'm talking about player development success. Look at our home grown talent vs. KC. It's not even close.
Sad to say, after you have had very high results, plain old high results are not good, good results, are poor, poor results are a disaster.
Roy, your statement comparing KC and the Yankees is silly. Each season some team will draft a future top notch player. Some get real lucky and draft a future top notch player two or three years in a row. I KC doesn't win their division next season and/or does not make the playoffs does their farm suddenly go bad. If the Yankees win their division and advance a few rounds in the playoffs mean their farm suddenly produced. Teams develop in several ways all the time.
John
What are you talking saying? I'm talking strictly about how many players they have internally developed and are contributing at the major league level. Look at their starting lineups - The Yankees have one internally developed - Gardner in the starting line up. The Royals have 7. When you develop usable players internally it gives you an advantage as they are low cost for a number of years.
So, why is that comment silly again?
Roy, I'm talking about winning and then you say you are talking about money.
John - I'm talking about how we haven't developed starting caliber players as well as Kansas City as evident by the fact that we only have one starting caliber player that we developed!! Look around the Majors, almost every team has more starting players on their team that came up through the minors than the Yankees do. What makes this a silly statement?!!?
Roy, everything is relative. We let Robertson go and signed Miller. We let Warren go and we signed Castro. We let Montero go and we signed Pineda. We have Bird, but he is injured. We have Severino, Betances, Nova, Mitchell, Lindgren, etc. Judge and Mateo in the wings. Things change in a heartbeat. We win this season and you will be telling a different story.
No, I won't be, I think the farm system has improved tremendously. Having said that, it's been pretty crappy for the last 10 years or so. The only thing we've been able to develop on a consistent basis really are relief pitchers. As far as position players and successful starting pitchers we've struggled mightily. Relative to the field, the Yankees have not had lagged, and it's resulted in us having to sign more older players, many of whom don't work out, and has contributed to our lack of success lately.
The Yankees meet the Phillies in this afternoons spring training game.
Ivan Nova to start todays game in Tampa.
one poster keeps repeating he thinks the Yankees hav had a lack of success over the past ten years. I do not think that is true. They have won a WS in the past ten years, how many teams have not. They have been in the post season seven of ten times, how many teams have not reached that threshold. Looks reasonably successful to me.
White Knight - you going to completely ignore the fact that it's been getting worse and worse throughout the years? We haven't won a single playoff game since 2012. The WINMETHOD god you worship as the biggest factor of the Yankees has taken us from a perennial World series contended to a team that struggles to even make the playoffs.
If you want to accept the mediocrity that has plagued recent Yankee teams, that's your choice.
2-1 Yankees after 1.
Roy, on the contrary, WIN METHOD has given us the best team in baseball for the past two decades. A fact you constantly ignore. There is no question that the results have been less over the past ten seasons, but as many other posters have stated, the results for the Yankees over the past ten seasons is still far better than most of the teams in MLB. You display far to much negativity, That fuels a feeling of despair and leads to losing. Success is not a constant for any team, and never has been.
Yankees up 3-2 after 4.
Roy, you come off as a negative Nellie. This blog is the most positive Yankee site I have ever come across. All we knock are the stat frauds and afraud. The joy of winning is here.
Yanks down 6-4 after 5.
Game over, Yanks go down 13-4.
Oh no stat frauds. We've played two games and are a negative eight runs.
I find it always interesting scoring games that don't count for different players.
No matter what any stat says or how it is used there is only one thing that counts, did you win.
I'm a negative Nellie for pointing out the fact that we've not won a playoff game in 3 years? Sorry if the truth hurts. I think you need to focus less on these "stat frauds" and your interviews and look more on winning.
Why are we posting scores for a meaningless spring training game?
Yankees taking March slow with both Ellsbury and Gardner.
We post scores because we love baseball.
Scores are as meaningless as the stats that drive them. Wins, only wins.
Roy, I think you have to know better, scores tell who won and lost each and every game. Wins are the desired result of each game. The more wins you earn the better chance you will make the playoffs.
Stan
If you're going to do that then you can you could then start saying - stats tell you how each team score, scores tell who lost each and every game so and so forth...
Winning by 10 is the same as winning by 1. It's the win the matters not the score.
Tanaka scheduled to pitch Sunday.
Spring training is a slow process trying to fit pieces together to form the big picture.
While real baseball fans follow spring training the stat frauds are drafting their make believe fantasy world fantasy teams. More meaningless garbage from the frauds.
Oh my God. I can't believe that Roy guy. You have to know the score to know who won. DUH!
Linda - do I need to know the score in the 1st inning, 4th inning, and 6th inning as was posted to know who won?
NO!
Al - I can see how "positive" this blog is. Did stat frauds pick on you or something?
Focus on the Yankees and winning and less on what other people do for fun.
It looks like Bryan Mitchell is going to start for the Yankees this afternoon.
Roy, those stat frauds who play phony fantasy baseball try to tell us the stats they use determine the best players. That is pure garbage.
Al- There's nobody here doing that right now or talking about fantasy baseball, why go out of your way to even bring it up? Why are you even thinking about it so much?
Roy, if you don't like a score update once in awhile, then you won't want to be here for games when the season starts. Some games get hundreds of posts.
Considering that the entire 2015 has 2,500 posts (that's about 15 posts a game for those playing at home) and included the entire season and the offseason through December, I think your claim, much like the claims of most here, of hundreds is completely off base.
Roy, you mentioned stats in your post to Stan the Man. I just took it the next level.
Yanks down 3-0 after 3.
Man, it is nice to have baseball back. Can't wait for the real season to begin.
Yankees down 3-0 after 6.
Yanks lose 3-0.
Five Yankee pitchers 2 hit the Tigers this afternoon. Alas the meaninglessness of stats. Final score, Yanks lose 3-0.
You can't win unless you score.
It looks like James Kaprielian looked really strong from the reviews he has received. Could be another WIN METHOD gem.
Game tomorrow with bosux at 1pm on YES.
Lets go Yankees.
MLB has game today at 1 PM.
Tyler Cloyd to start today.
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