Wednesday, December 16, 2015

WIN METHOD - - - THE COMING 2016 SEASON

Hello WIN METHOD fans and followers.  I apologize for not posting more this past season.  I have been extremely busy traveling to many countries and interviewing many players.   Finished now and home for a great Christmas with family and friends.  Hal Steinbrenner and I have extended our proprietary deal for another season.  As you all know after two ten year deals with Mr.S., Hal and I have agreed to proceed one year at a time.  I am getting a little old for all the travel and all the time involved.   I will truly try to post more in 2016.


The 2016 season will be an interesting season for the YANKEES.  A transition is underway that was started several seasons ago and may be coming full circle.   A few years back, after several very expensive costly contracts that have either ended or are ending soon that led to very costly payrolls, and the team getting very little return for the monies spent, the YANKEES decided to go full out on acquiring young players.   My interviews were concentrated on possible draftees and acquisitions through various routes.   Many of those chosen and selected by the YANKEES over the past years are at the point of paying returns at the big league level.  You all know the names as you see them making their major league debuts.   2016 will be a blend of the old and the new, making for a very interesting 2016 season.   There are so many question marks for so many.   The question marks are different for each player.   How well will the newcomers perform?   How well will they be able handle the pressure in New York and the majors?   How will others return and perform from various injuries?   How will the elders of the team hold out?   Will the injury bug  keep biting this team to the degree it has in the past seasons?    So many ifs.   All will be answered during spring training and the upcoming season.   Always being optimistic and dealing with the pitfalls and roadblocks ahead, the 2016 team will be competitive, a likely playoff team, and if things don't go to far off the tracks a force to contend with during the playoffs.


To the dismay of the stat frauds out there, the 2016 season, like every season in baseball history will be decided by wins and only wins.  No one or two individual player stats will determine the best teams and players.   That is always determined by who wins the most with every player on each team contributing to the success of each team.   Wins are earned by players executing when it counts to build runs, prevent runs, and defeat the opposition each game over the 162 played.  


The front office so far this off season hasn't done anything stupid by signing high dollar long term contracts.   The 2016 YANKEES will move forward with the contributions of their young and upcoming players who will get the opportunity to prove themselves at the highest level.


As always, LETS GO YANKEES.   A MERRY CHRISTMAS and a very happy, healthy NEW YEAR to all.



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Steven Fischer said...

Not really, Arod didn't steal anything and trying to be a better teammate and mentor to young players is a lot more significant than just saying sorry.

Tom Loughlin said...

Steven F, afraud did steal. Buy using chemically enhanced drugs to improve his individual numbers, he increased what a franchise would be willing to pay him. Without those gaudy numbers he would have been paid less. It is stealing without holding a gun on you. Similar to embezzlement. I do not feel sorry for a multi-millionaire nor do I laud him for what he knowingly and willingly has done.

Brian Cowley said...

Just think how much younger the Yankees would be without afraud.

Vladimir Tinzak said...

Just say no to afraud.

Steven Fischer said...

You do know the Yankees benefited by having him on the team though, all the paying fans that came out to see him hit those home runs. His presence generated a lot of excitement and money for the team.

I don't really see the Yankees as a victim here.

WIN METHOD said...

Steven F, You are correct. I interviewed Arod, best known as afraud here, twice. I told Mr.S. he was in no way WIN METHOD for the YANKEES. The reason the YANKEES signed him was exactly as you said. Mr.S. was convinced by the bean counters that Arod would fill the seats and bring in cash from all the things that go with signing a player like him. That was the one time that I am sure of Mr.S. didn't side with my view. I am off for interviews again tomorrow for an extended period.

Yankeeforever said...

Just over five weeks and the hills will be alive with the sounds of baseball.

White Knight said...

I guess George was not perfect. He messed up on afraud. He probably thought the team could win with afraud and make even more money. The the cheating came to light and the rest is history.

Steve said...

When I post on the baseball forums I am astounded by how many fans know so little about the game and all they do is spout numbers someone created. They scoff at players who win and laud players who lose.

KevMac said...

Stay calm Cash. Stay calm and stay the course.

Steven F. said...

I mean they did win with Arod though, did they not? They won a World Series in large part because of him.

Sure he's had a ton of off-field issues, but on the field the team has been very successful with him- making the playoffs a number of times of winning a World Series.

Pete H said...

We can only hope afraud does what he did last season.

Sal Mineo said...

Steven F, all you state is true, now look at cost vs. return for afraud. View the last 20 years of baseball and look at all the multiple playoff players, all the multiple pennant winning players, and all the multiple WS winning players. That is how the WIN METHOD rates the players. Of course compare regular position players to other regular position players and so forth for pitchers, utility players, etc. afraud doesn't make the best of the best nor likely first few teams you could put together. On top of it all, he cheated to achieve his individual statistics. Trust the WIN METHOD and will always find who is best over a season or over a career. In 2009 afraud was the best third baseman in baseball, that is it for him.

Lou Lis said...

There were a lot of players who won multiple WS for their teams over those two decades. afraud despite all his cheating wasn't able to help his team more than them.

Lori Kelly said...

I wonder what afrauds career and persona would have been without the lying and cheating.

Norm Jackson said...

Five weeks to spring training.

Linda Pardo said...

Lori, without cheating afraud would have been just another really good player. His lying just made him an embarrassment as a human being.

Alex Antonius said...

Spare parts deal by Cashman. Good job.

Marty Hall said...

Nova, Pineda, and or CC could determine how far we go in 16.

Jerry Curcio said...

Looking for the playoffs in 2016 and then who knows.

Rahm Mahood said...

To hell with afraud. It is what it is and we will keep playing around him like always.

Victor Grandozi said...

Deb F, I agree. When a big name comes to you and tells you something, and then you are asked about it, you ALWAYS, say how nice he was and you appreciate his advice. It means nothing and afraud is the last guy anyone needs advice from unless you are looking for chemicals to cheat the greatest game of baseball.

sid greenberg,nyc said...

Alex Rodriguez (afraud) will go down in history as one of the most disturbing if not the most disturbing signings the New York Yankees have ever made.

bigbadwolf said...

Welcome back sid. Hope you had a good trip and visit.

Teena/Bronx said...

Glad to see you back sid.

Dan Evans said...

Minor deal between Dodgers and Yankees for basically minor leaguers.

Steven F said...

Disturbing? Because he used steroids and lied about it in an era where the majority of players used steroids and lied about it? What about Giambi, Sheffield, Roger Clemens, and Canseco and others that have faced accusations.

Oh and let's not forget Andy Pettitte did steroids in 2002, and didn't admit to it until he got caught in 2007.

How's the reaction on the Chapman trade - the guy might get suspended for domestic abuse, but I didn't hear much of an outcry on here.

The amount of hate and blame that gets direct towards one player here is what's really disturbing. You guys act as though he did something personally to you. He's an easy target, and it's awfully easy to blame all the Yankees problems on him, and you make full use of that, while never acknowledging any of his successes, it's essentially bullying and it's pretty lame.

sid greenberg,nyc said...

Thank you guys and gals. Had a great trip and it always great to come home. Looking forward to a winning 2016.

Carl Hooks said...

Steven F, None of the other players are playing anymore. No steroid user is accepted as a great because they cheated. Most may never see the HOF because of their cheating.

candycane said...

Steven F, I think this blog is in the present and future. afraud is the corrupt cheater on the team that stains the team in my opinion and maybe most here. Chapman has been convicted of nothing to date. I do not accept, laud, nor like any of the steroid era cheaters. I do not believe for a moment either that a majority of players used steroids.

RLA said...

I also do not accept nor tolerate steroid using cheaters, at any time. No record of any steroid cheat is valid.

Steven F. said...

It's fine to not like or accept him, but most people here take it too far to the point that they actively attack him and everything about him, despite the fact that no one knows him or his intentions personally.

"The longer Alex is out of the lineup, the better the chance of the team to win the AL East division."

That was a quote from this blog, insinuating that Arod brings this entire team down. Not once was there an acknowledgement afterwards about how they actually played better when he returned (remember how terrible Cody Ransum was in his stead), or how he largely contributed, perhaps more so than any player, to that World Series run.

My overall point is it's fine not to accept him as great or really like him, but that's not all you're doing, you're attacking him and placing undue amounts of blame on him.

White Knight said...

Anyone can support any player they wish. I find it disturbing that people would support cheaters and steroid users no matter who they are.

jimbo said...

Steven F, WIN METHOD interviewed afraud twice and found him not to be a WIN METHOD qualified player. He was signed by the Yankees against input from their best qualified source. He has been an everyday player and since he has been here we have one WS win. Of course it is not all on him, but since we know the other players are WIN METHOD, afruad will surely take the heat from the supporters here who know the truth about him.

Steven F said...

Jimbo
Just to get this straight - you know the truth about Arod because one person on the internet claimed to have two interviews, with absolutely no evidence to support these claims, and due to this fact that gives you and everyone else a free pass to belittle, name call, and demean at every possible chance?

Do I have that right?

Domenic said...

When a player has to cheat to get the results he gets, that is a disgrace. Not only to himself, and he probably doesn't give a damn what people think, but it is also a disgrace to the team, organization, and fair playing fans.

jimbo said...

Steven F, The evidence is truth. WIN METHOD has been around for a very long time. Maybe they will say and I do not want to speak for them, but many people have met WIN METHOD and several have stated WIN METHOD has spoke at private events for them. There was a picture on line back in the nineties with WIN METHOD in the clubhouse in a Yankee jersey holding the WS trophy. No name was ever associated with the picture which is the only way WIN METHOD works. If you check the CC signing and the Teixeira signing WIN METHOD posted a day or two before CC signed that he was going to sign with the Yankees. And WIN METHOD posted several days before Teixeira signed that Tex would sign with the Yankees. No one in sports thought Tex was going to sign with the Yankees. That is about the time this blog started to take off. The blog is common sense. Someone doesn't go back 60 years in time to make up stories. The free pass to belittle, name call, demean afraud was not created by WIN METHOD, but by afraud himself for lying and cheating to raise himself up. You may want to give afraud a pass and you may want to accept with what he has done, that is your choice. That is not my choice.

Phil Jenkins said...

Why would anyone let a person get away with corrupting the game. All the cheaters records should be expunged or at minimum listed in a special section with a proper title explaining why the section is there.

Karl R said...

Just say no to afraud.

Steven F said...

Jimbo
1. None of what you just said is evidence of anything. It's a little strange that no one commented on the Teixeira and CC posts until months later. Besides if it were true, I doubt the Yankees would be thrilled that and employee was leaking inside information to the public on a open blog. In a era where news is so easily transmitted, it's just hard to believe that there hasn't been mention of him by a single player, reporter, coach, or anyone - especially since he claims to be such a huge part of the organization.

In regards to Arod, it's not about giving him a free pass. It's about despite disagreeing with his decisions and knowing that he messed up bad and his legacy as a player is forever tarnished, still recognizing he's part of the team you root for, for better or worst, and supporting that he can become a better teammate and person going forward. I suppose taking the low road and just beating him down more is your prerogative, but I don't think booing him and calling him names will help him, or by extension the team, so I'm not going to do it.

johnsondc said...

WIN METHOD isn't part of the organization. He had a proprietary deal with George Steinbrenner alone. No one in the organization knows who WIN METHOD is. WIN METHOD and George Steinbrenner where two peas in a pod that hit it off when Steinbrenner bought the team. Steinbrenner being the business man liked the concept WIN METHOD was working on and they decided to make it happen one on one. WIN METHOD talked to prospective players, gave names to Steinbrenner and George gave the orders to try to sign the players if at all possible. That was in the 90's and the rest is history. A very quiet history. When George passed there was a bump in the road with his sons takeover. Now it is just WIN METHOD and Hal Steinbrenner. One on one proprietary deal. Only now it is a year to year basis. WIN METHOD is looking to retire with family. There is no celebrity or notoriety for sought, just the Yankees winning. I have met and know WIN METHOD. Profiling does work if you have ever heard about it. It is some profilers are geniuses at what they do.

jimbo said...

Steven F, No one commented on the CC and Teixeira posts because the blog was in its infancy. As WIN METHODS reputation and the WIN METHOD philosophy grew the following grew to amazing amounts. Notice, there is no advertising or other garbage on the blog. WIN METHOD promised he would never have or allow any on his blog. No clutter, no ads scrolling or tolling through, just pure baseball. It is a difference of opinion, but I think I take the high road here in regard to afraud. Trying not to speak for everyone but to accept him and give him a pass for tarnishing baseball and saying he will be a better person is not my cup of tea. Let him be better person in his next career.

Linda Rice said...

Phil, You nailed it. There is no reward for cheating and then making money off of it. No pass for afraud nor any of the cheaters.

Gus Papa said...

The WIN METHOD is baseball the way it was intended. To win. Sabremetrics are corrupting how the game is looked at nowadays by idiots who think they can define who is best by numbers and not the results on the field.

To make this perfectly clear.....THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO FORMULA OR STAT IN THE WORLD THAT CAN DEFINE WHO IS BEST THAT IS BETTER THAN WINS.

Steven F said...

johnsondc
Do you realize the absurdity of that statement? A guy who writes about spending full days talking to players and coaches at Yankee Stadium and who claims to have interviewed almost every players - both majors and minors - in the organization, having a close relationship with both the previous and current owner...and nobody knows who he is? How does he set up the interviews? Do the players never go, "hi who are you" when you speak to them?
Jimbo
Right - so no one actually saw it was posted here before the signings took place, and essentially it proves little to nothing as it could have been post dated. Also in the Manny too? post, winmethod comments on it acting to be some one else - which makes me wonder if he does that a lot. Also, and I think I've said this, I have no problem with not accepting him or not giving him a pass. It's the name calling and placing all the blame for Yankee failures - which is done here, there's a lot evidence of it - is very unbecoming for people.

bigbadwolf said...

Go to google images and search WIN METHOD. The birthday cake is for WIN METHODS 70th birthday.

johnsondc said...

Steven F, The absurdity is yours. PRESS PASS. You cannot post date on Google blogger. No player ever knows the real reason they are being interviewed for.

It does not matter how many people saw the posting regarding CC and Tex here when it was posted. The credibility came when the signings actually happened. A first time visitor here today who reads the blog from the beginning will have the common sense to realize this blog is the real thing.

The comments of fans here are their own opinions. Since the WIN METHOD fans know baseball I think it is logical to put blame on a convicted liar and cheat.

Patricia Piper said...

Wow people, this is getting pretty deep. Think common sense. The only way to become the champion is to win. Wins, wins, wins.

bigbadwolf said...

Info for everyone to ponder. This blog to date has had over 260 million views from over 200 countries and entities from all over the world. Today already there have been visits form Russia, Germany, Ukraine, France, Italy, Dominican Republic, Spain, Romania, Sweden, India, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Canada, the United States.
I guess people like winning.

Robert Mandel said...

Being positive. LETS GO YANKEES!

Steve said...

Steven F, are you having fun in the real world?

Yanks23245 said...

We are number one. We are winners. We are the best.

Lori Kelly said...

Thanks bigbadwolf. Those stats are amazing. Glad to be a part of this site.

Gene A said...

The baseball season can't start soon enough. Sorry Steven F, but wins are all that counts. There is no bonus for winning 20-0 compared to 1-0, except in the stat fraud world. When you realize that fact then you will know baseball and the WIN METHOD.

Steven F. said...


I have no idea what press pass means, but you can certainly post date on Blogger:

http://stevefischer89.blogspot.com/2015/11/big-news-i-hear-yankees-are-working.html

See, I just posted that Chapman was going get to traded, but I post dated it to November 2015. It's actually very easy, and it makes me question the creditability of the information. A picture of a cake also doesn't do much for me...

Gene
I don't know why you brought that up, that's literally not at all related to what we're discussing.

Saul Irving said...

Bingo! Gene A. The 20 runs have been ingrained in the heads of the brain dead fantasy baseball world fans. They do not know any better.

Benny Pake said...

Over 260 million hits on WIN METHOD. In just over seven years. Great job fans.

bigbadwolf said...

Steven F, that was a test post. Every comment is time stamped and you cannot create a blog post and not have it time stamped with the date it was posted.

Steven Fischer said...

bigbadwolf
That wasn't a test post, I just named it that because I was testing it out. I took 5 minutes and made my own blog and posted that. Every comment is time stamped for sure, every blog post can be post dated easily.

I changed the name to REAL BLOG FACT AND TRUTH. There's no credibility since he can date the posts whenever he chooses.

bigbadwolf said...

Steven F, I believe what you are saying regarding the blog post you listed. If you check the WIN METHOD blog the poster and time is listed for every post, be it by WIN METHOD or anyone else. As far as I can see there is no option for dating any post, here it happens internally by Google. I will contact them to see what is going on. However, there has never been any manipulation or any fraud going on here. I tried to leave a comment on your post and I could not. Something is not right if I click comment and it won't let me post a comment.

Patricia Piper said...

Steven F, I have a blog and can put a date in my post, but when I post it Google attaches the actual posting date and time of day. I think you created a blog title because it shows up in the comment section with your name and time today. I am sure you can not post date something on Goggle or the entire concept would be a farce.

YankeeMike said...

I think you are in error Steven F.

AAA said...

Patricia, you are correct. You cannot post date on Google. I have never seen nor heard of any claim as to a post date on Google and would never believe Google would ever allow it in any shape or form. It is their credibility at stake.

Chad Greene said...

I also have never heard anything about or anyone accused of post dating on Google, because Google would never tolerate it.

Steven Fischer said...

http://m.wikihow.com/Change-the-Post-Date-on-Blogger

bigbadwolf said...

Steven F, I checked my email after receiving the information in your post. It was from Google explaining how changing the date could be done. It explained it exactly as your wikihow site did. I apologize for doubting you and still cannot believe Google would allow this. I will contact them as to why they feel changing time stamps is OK with them. Again I apologize, I will apologize for WIN METHOD and I am sure he will also apologize in writing. On the matter at hand, it has NEVER been done here and NEVER would be.

Chad Greene said...

I too must apologize to you Steven F. I also will contact Google.

Steve F said...

Steve, I'm not sure what that means?

Steve said...

Steve F, I meant as compared to the fantasy world where stats are all that matters. I meant nothing personal, just that I here the stat guys spout nothing but formulated numbers and nothing about winning.

Steven Fischer said...

No worries, was just unsure

Warren Hammond said...

As far as i am concerned with afraud, I just do not like having someone on the roster who can't run or field. It's like the roster has 24 1/2 guys instead of 25.

johnsondc said...

I have filed a complaint with Google regarding time stamp changing.

Stan the Man said...

The point of this blog will never change. Wins and winning determine the best teams and players.

Steven F said...

I think I just have a big credibility issue.

The Texieria and CC signing posts have no comments until some dated years afterwards. While the potential Manny Ramirez post, made at a similar time and which was incorrect, has posts made only days after. Included in the Manny post is a comment from WinMethod himself seemingly pretending to be some one else "he states "Great Blog - I'm telling everyone i know about this site!". It seems strange that people would comment on that, but no one would acknowledge the CC and Teix signings, seems to indicate they were post dated.

On top of that there's never been a comment about this man, picture with a player or any shred of evidence that he works with Yankees. Seeing that anyone could create a free blog and write whatever they'd like, It's hard for me to believe what he says. I look at the evidence, and it just doesn't add up.

Steve said...

This is the difference between the WIN METHOD and the sabremetricians. The sabre guys would rather have their pitcher start 32 times, pitch 200+ innings with 200+ Ks, a 2.40 ERA, a 1.05 Whip, and a 12-14 W-L record. The WIN METHOD guys would rather have their pitcher start 32 times, pitch any amount of innings, with any amount of Ks, any ERA, and Whip, and a 19-7 W-L record. What counts in helping your team reach the playoffs? Wake up fans and get away from the sabre fantasy world, be a winner.

Steven F said...

Steve
I don't believe that's true. On any given year anyone would rather their pitcher win 20 games versus a guy who won 12 games.

However, when you're looking ahead for the future, looking at pitcher wins has been proven to be a very poor predictor of future success.

If you put them on the same team who's more likely to win more often- the pitcher who's consistently pitching to a 2.40 ERA or the guy who's pitching to a 5.00 ERA. Pretty obvious that the guy who's allowing half as many runs is going to be more likely to win.

bigbadwolf said...

Steve F, Let me assure that no blog post nor any poster comment has ever been tampered with, altered, or contaminated in any way. EVER! Myself and johnsondc have been admins of this blog since day one of its creation by WIN METHOD. The first blog post on this site had absolutely no following. It has grown over the years on its own merits and the following is astounding. I could see your points if WIN METHOD was trying to sell something and make money off of it. That is not the case. WIN METHOD keeps the site clean with no advertisements or comeons of any kind. If we where fooling with the site do you even think the Manny blog post would be here or the WIN METHOD comment about the site? You can't have it both ways. Wouldn't you think that if time stamp dating where being used we could have done it many other times over the years. None of us knew time stamp cheating was even possible and we are taking the issue to Google to find out why, if they will tell us. The comments increased over the years because of the content of the blog, the common sense, and fans not accepting sabremetrics and the stat frauds making up formulas trying to convince fans players who do not help their team wins are better than the players who help their team win. One more point on the comments in the CC and Tex blog posts. Wouldn't you also think we could have filled the blog with bogus posts saying how WIN METHOD had inside information? Common sense should point you in the opposite direction.

Steve said...

Steven F, don't mix up a year of results and a career of results. On any given season I will take the pitcher who helps his team win the most over any other stat. And I would do the same for a 5 year comparison or a career comparison. In my example in my post you arbitrarily issued a 5.00 ERA to the winning pitcher, maybe he had a 3.10 or 4.00 or a 5.75 ERA, he still helped his team win and that is why the games are played. I think to many people forget that, ignore that, or only give winning lip service. If the low ERA pitcher is going to be good, he will win as he goes on or maybe not. At the end of a career it is wins over ERA.

johnsondc said...

Steven F, I second all that bigbadwolf said. Let me add, WIN METHOD seeks no notoriety or glory. His goal is to help the team he grew up with win. The press pass referred to is press credentials. Allows him pretty much free access to a degree.

Sal Mineo said...

Steve,...no doubt about it. If you are good enough to be a starting pitcher in MLB for ten or more yours, only your win loss record will tell how good you were.

Yankeeforever said...

Just think about it. When you go to a game you go to see your team win. The stats are just to keep score.

Andy K said...

Sarcasm alert...I thought you went to games to root for your fantasy players and didn't care who won.

Steven F. said...

Can't you go to root for your team to win and for certain players to perform well? It's not really an either or thing...

Sharon/NC said...

Being from North Carolina I am a Carolina Panther football fan. If you watched the game today you would get a great example of the WIN METHOD and also the gathering of meaningless stats. The Panthers took control of and dominated the game today building a 31-0 half time lead. Scoring offensively and defensively WHEN it counted. In the second half with Seattle having no chance the Panthers relaxed, played a controlled game and Seattle nibbled away at the lead as the clock ticked away the minutes and seconds. Seattle cut the lead to 31-24 and never got the ball back in the final minutes as the Panthers ran out the clock for what if you look at the box score was a close game. The difference being the Panthers won and built a big lead while the Seattle team garnered stats and point just to make it look close.
the end all being the Panthers move on to play again in the playoffs and the Seattle team goes home to watch with a nice bunch of meaningless stats.

Pete H said...

Sure you can root for your favorite player, but the team winning comes first, and it doesn't matter how it happens or who may make it happen. Every game is different.

Wilsonsway said...

I was thinking the same Sharon. In baseball it is your team opening an 8-0 lead after 6 innings and then your pitcher backs off and gives up 5 runs in the 7th and 8th innings. You win 8-5 and your pitchers ERA is over 5. It's the win that matters.

Hugh Frazier said...

Steven F, what about the fans in name only, who root for their players and don't give a darn about the team.

Steven F said...

That game in the end was close, Seahawks came very close to recovering that onside kick and would've had plenty of time to score and tie the game. They made a very spirited comeback from a disastrous first half and showed a lot of character in not shutting down completely - I wouldn't call their efforts "meaningless".

Hugh
I don't think there are many fans who root for a team and care only about the players and not at all about the team. However, I loved Cano when he was here and especially enjoyed when he played well. There are players around the league, who's teams I don't care at all about, but I enjoy watching and root for them to do well. You can root for and enjoy things within the game besides just your team winning.

candycane said...

Steven F, you have come across another tenet of the WIN METHOD. When the game was on the line at the start, only one team performed and they took a big lead. When the game was essentially won, then the team with no pressure on them performed. Again, it is when it counts that matters.

Mike Smith said...

I'll root for a player of another team to achieve a milestone when they are close, but not at any other time. Being a Yankee fan I root for the team to win and root for every player to make it happen.

Linda Pardo said...

One month and pitchers and catchers report.

Westcoastyankee said...

Have to hand it to Cashman this winter. Looks like he wants to build with the farm system and hasn't bitten on any of the high priced FA's who wouldn't make the team better.

Steven F. said...

I mean you're kind of changing the narrative of the game to fit with the WinMethod.

Don't you think Seattle felt a tremendous amount of pressure going into the second half, they had to be perfect in order to comeback, not allow any points and score a lot to make up the deficit. In their minds the game wasn't over, they've said as such multiple times, they had to be perfect in the second half - and they ultimately came up just short. Just because you say there was no pressure on them, doesn't make it true.

This teams been to the superbowl each of the last two years - that sounds like a team that knows how to win.

Stanley Chin said...

Think positive for the 2016 season.

Sharon/NC said...

Players say what they need to say. They won't say we quit or gave up. I don't think they thought of giving up. The Panthers played the clock and let up to a degree. At least in baseball there in no clock to run out just 27 outs. I never felt the game was in doubt. The same in a horse race. A horse jumps in front, opens a 10 length lead, they turn into the stretch, the jockey doesn't push and the horse eases to a 1 length win. The win is all that matters. It is not how fast the other horses were gaining.

Frank Sergi said...

Steven F, no question the Mariners are a quality team. They were just beat by a better team. Seattle was walloped in the first half and couldn't come back. It is the win that counts.

Brian Cowley said...

Frank, Yes, there is no question the win is what matters, and it really does not matter how a team earns the win. Everyone contributes in some form or another. That is what is lost by stat guys.

RLA said...

When a 5 or 6 man rotation is talked about, I don't have a problem with 6 if they are able to produce at a winning level.

will-i-am said...

Cashman does the smart thing again and passes on Upton who signs for six years with the Detroit Tigers. Tigers are in big trouble.

Augie Defonce said...

Just say no to Upton.

bigbadwolf said...

Upton had no chance of being a Yankee.

Cory said...

Louis Louis will be a dominant big time starter in 2016.

Dave Matthews said...

Now Cash, stay away from Cespedes.

Quay Ho said...

Chen signed with Marlins for five years. Don't have to worry about him. We have Severino.

Erica Johnston said...

That will be fine for the Yankees and us fans Cory.

will-i-am said...

Louis Louis.

Teena/Bronx said...

Baby steps through the off season and then one giant leap during the season to the playoffs.

Augie DeFonce said...

Just say no to Cepedes.

Ben Rosen/Israel said...

Just saw the Meredith Marokavits interview with Louis Louis. It looks like he wants to start the season and be the ace.

reinvaldez said...

Ben, Louis Louis being the ace could put the Yanks over the top in 16.

Saul Irving said...

If we can just stay away from major injuries. We can go a long way.

Yankeeforever said...

I can see solid seasons from Pineda and Nova also.

Todd Griffin said...

Most stat frauds aren't giving the Yankees much of a chance for 2016. They are in for a rude awakening.

johnny said...

Lets go Yankees.

Linda Rice said...

I am more anxious for this season start than usual.

Gary Shrieber said...

I think so to Linda. Pitching from start to end could be top five. Lineup has improved. Youngsters ready to help.

Steve said...

My brain is spinning from some of the utterly stupid junk I read on the baseball forums.

Victor Bruno said...

Cashman has done well this winter. Improved the team, didn't give up any kids, and didn't spend on FA's who wouldn't help the team or fit in.

NJYANKEE said...

First snow projected for northeast this weekend.

Vladimir Tinzik said...

The Yankee future appears to be very promising.

Ernie Hassel said...

Four weeks to Yankee pitchers and catchers report in Tampa.

Bud Light said...

Ben Rosen, yes the interview with Louis Louis Severino great. He looks like he want to excell.

Dane Ostroff said...

Baseball is right around the corner. So is another playoff season and just maybe a WS.

Arthur Padikian said...

Staying away from crippling injuries will be the key to Yankee success in 2016.

Nathan Riley said...

I agree Arthur.

Gus Papa said...

Tanaka will do his best to be the ace and not let Louis Louis just take it away. Competition is good.

Izy Hernandez said...

Spring training is going to be very competitive, particularly among the starters and middle relievers.

Saul Irving said...

If all the starters have a very good spring Girardi may have to go with 6 starters.

Steve said...

No matter what happens with any of our players, the success of the team will come down to playing WIN METHOD baseball and earning more wins than the competition.

Deb F said...

You got it Steve. Wins dwarf every other stat.

Vinny Ferrero said...

I really hope the Yankees have the kind of season so many are portraying here.

Patricia Piper said...

Sabathia may also be a giant surprise. That could mean everything.

Gene A said...

The pitching staff may be all ifs, but they appear to be all upward ifs. IF half of them come to fruition the Yanks will win the division.

Swen Jorgenson said...

You get great pitching you do not need to score a lot to win.

Paul Hill said...

Swen, you score a lot of runs you can win with lesser pitching. It is a game where everyone contributes. Each day it may be anyone of combinations of anyones.

NJYANKEE said...

Cashman brilliant again and stays away from Cespedes who resigns with the Mets for an excessive amount of dollars. Oh, it is snowing like heck.

Teena/Bronx said...

Blizzard, wow do we have snow.

Stan the Man said...

Horray for Cashman and the Yankees, Cespedes is not a Yankee.

Steven F said...

Ok here's what I don't understand-

Why is there hate for Cespedes. He was traded to the Mets and was a huge part of their world series run last year. He's been to the playoffs in 3 of his 4 seasons.

So why is he undesirable in your eyes? You all say - the best players are determined by the guys who win the most- and while I do think that's oversimplifying player analysis - why do you act as if a player with Cespedes' pedigree is bad? He got a 3 year deal with an opt out, so it's not as though it's even a long commitment that would hold us back from anything.

It seems like a contradictory thought - to suggest that a player who is consistently in the playoffs is the best, and then say -yeah but we don't want him on our team.

Jill Byrnes said...

What a great job Cash has done this winter improving the team and not falling for the FA's that would have crippled this team. We have what we need.

RLA said...

Steven F, First off WIN METHOD most likely interviewed Cespedes. The result we here have no idea. Second, Cespedes has been in 5 rounds of playoffs losing 3 and winning 2 with no WS championship. Gardner has been in 9 rounds of playoffs winning 5 and losing 4 with a WS championship ring. Ellsbury has been in 10 rounds of playoffs wining 7 and losing 3 with 2 WS championship rings. Since we are unable to know what WIN METHOD and Hal knows regarding Cespedes we must go by post season results. Gardner and Ellsbury both win that comparison. Third, if we signed Cespedes, more than likely Gardner or Ellsbury would be gone leaving the other to play CF and have to cover the lesser defense of both Beltran and Cespedes.
I rather have Garder, Ellsbury, Beltran and a better defensive OF. Fourth, I do not think he is worth the dollars and if he has a poor season, his value decreases and he likely can't or won't opt out burying the team for 2 more seasons. I rather ride with Judge for the future.

Steven F said...

Cespedes can barely speak English, and if you want to put more value on 1 alleged interview (which again, we have no details of any of the interview) over 4 years of performance, that's on you, but it's pretty crazy way to evaluate anyone in any profession.

Gardner - I'm assuming you're counting his 2009 in that, which he served as a pinch runner and barely played. Since he's become a full time starter, he's gone 2-4 in playoff rounds AND missed the playoffs two year - so that's not exactly a win over Cespedes. Also, if we look at the last 4 years - Cespedes has been MUCH better in this regard.

You say you do not think he's worth the dollars - why? Is Ellsbury worth the dollars he got? Is Gardner worth the dollars he got? He's a player who has massive win success. His contract is similar to Gardners and less than half of what Ellsbury received.

Eddie OConnor said...

Cespedes is getting 27.5 million for 2016. Niether Gardner nor Ellsbury makes that amount. I stick with Gardner and Ellsbury and go to the playoffs. Cespedes would not make me feel comfortable about going to the playoffs.

Steven Fischer said...

No, but Ellsbury is already older and has 5 more years at 22 million a year. His contract is much larger- any way you slice it.

Why would he not make you feel comfortable? He's made the playoffs in 3 of his 4 years in the league.

Cory said...

Cespedes is not worth 27M and does not make the Yankees better. That is about the crux of the matter.

johnsondc said...

Steven F, I think you are missing the point. There is no question on Cespedes ability. His age has nothing to do with his signing since it likely would be only for one season. All WIN METHOD does after an interview is tell Hal Steinbrenner whether or not he feels a player is a good fir for the Yankees or not. If not it is very unlikely the player would be signed, but not always. If yes, it is still Steinbrenners final decision. WIN METHOD does not sign, make any deals or make any trades. There are many people with input. Under George Steinbrenner, WIN METHOD was most often the deciding factor. After all that, I would still rather have Gardner and Ellsbury. And then hopefully Judge.

YankeeMike said...

Remember also. A player can be WIN METHOD for one team or several or not at all.

sid greenberg,nyc said...

It should be fascinating seeing what Harper and then Trout can command in a few years. In my opinion, I think they get the dollars for being able to put fannies in the seats and not for what they can do to help a team. No one player makes a difference to the degree they get paid.

Lou Lis said...

I believe in business you put a value on something if you want it. When the cost goes above the value you assessed the something, you walk away. No way is Cespedes worth what he got from the Mets.

Karl R said...

Lou, I think the Mets may feel that their chance to win a WS is now and they are going all in.

Domenic said...

It will be interesting to know what WIN METHOD discovers when he interviews Trout and Harper.

Erica Nuyens said...

When you go for a job you are interviewed. Why do the stat frauds try to deny it would be a key in the hiring of a baseball player for a team.

Steven Fischer said...

Because answering questions tells you nothing about your ability to hit a baseball coming in at 95 mph

Brian Cowley said...

Erica, because the frauds think nothing matters but their convoluted screwed up meaningless stats.

will-i-am said...

Don't you think that anyone interviewed has already proven to a great degree that they have that ability? What you say may be true for the young kids who have not proven themselves to a large degree. But if teams are interested and going to spend money they might as well find out if the kid may be a good fit for their team. Common sense here, that is what we are about.

Steven F said...

Don't you think that some one who has been playing in the league for many years with multiple players and coaches would have already established what type of person and teammate they are?

White Knight said...

WIN METHOD is looking for the players who will produce when it counts over those who produce mostly when it doesn't matter.

johnsondc said...

Steven, there is always another step beyond the routine.

Steven F said...

All nine innings count the same. A base hit down by 10 can be the beginning of a huge comeback, a solo home run while up by 7 can prove to be a game winning run.

Steve said...

We have an advantage, we are the only team with WIN METHOD.

Deb F said...

Could've, should've, would've and maybes we leave to the stat guys to make excuses for and to try to give status to their contrived stats. Wins is all we look for and do not care how we earn then or who helps earn them. That is the team concept.

Cal Fuerst said...

Well said Deb.

Augie Defonce said...

Steven F, but not all hits and runs count the same. When, when, when.

Yanks23245 said...

A win by 1-0 is better than scoring 10 times and losing, but those offensive stats look good to the uninformed and unintelligent.

Yankeeforever said...

Yanks23245, Also there is no bonus or reward or advantage winning by 10 runs than 2,3,4 runs.

White Knight said...

Augie, that is what the stat frauds do not want to understand. They want every hit and run to be equal and the more you score the better you are. The only thing that really matters is if you win or not.

Steven F. said...

The players should be trying to get a hit in every at-bat regardless of the situation. They shouldn't be quitting or giving in at-bats. Retrospectively it's easy to say what mattered and didn't matter - but in the moment of the game how are the players supposed to know what ultimately will matter or not?

For instance that offense that scored 10 runs and ultimately lost. How would they know while they were scoring that it wasn't going to matter, you make it seem bad that.

You guys act like the players know when they're going to win. In the moment of the game for the players every at-bat and pitch should matter the same. They should always be trying to succeed regardless the situation in an attempt to contribute to the a victory.

KevMac said...

Steven F, the difference of WHEN is knowing when it matters. Early in game, within a run or two. Man on third, one out, are you able to get the run in. No matter which team you are, ahead or behind. We have no problem with any player trying to produce every at bat. The difference in each at bat is the PRESSURE associated with the at bat. There is absolutely no pressure batting in the bottom of the 8th and your team winning 10-0 and hitting a grand slam. There is pressure batting in the bottom of the 8th trailing by one run and the bases loaded with one out and you pop up or strike out and the next batter makes out also. WHEN WHEN WHEN. And the WHENS that create wins helps you to the playoffs. It is not complicated if you see the difference.

RLA said...

Steven F, having read your posts, it seems like you are intelligent and know baseball. You have got to see the difference of producing when it counts and between just producing numbers. That is why you see so many here saying when it counts and not how much or how many.

Gus Papa said...

Producing when it counts leads to wins and wins determines who is the best.

Steven F. said...

It's too simple to say that the grand slam when you're up 10-0 isn't IMPORTANT though, during the game, no one knows if it is.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?id=350605110

This season, Chris Young had an RBI base hit to make the game 8-1 in the bottom of 7th. This seems right in line with what you're describing as "not an important run".

Well, we won that game 8-7. It proved to be the game winning RBI, and was hugely important ultimately.

You say there's no benefit to winning 8-0 vs. 2-1. That isn't true at all. A blow out win allows you to rest your starter and not have to push him, save your key bullpen pieces. The players are humans, and can't pitch every game, it allows you to more easily manage they're innings. Even a two out hit that ultimately doesn't score can lead to a starter throwing more pitches and ultimately getting him out of the game earlier.

So yes, to me, it all counts in some facet. Any player that produces a hit or a run, it counts in some way.

Tommy Lee said...

Aren't most of the sabremteric guys in denial. They can't believe all the time they put in coming up with contrived formulas don't tell who is best.

Sal Mineo said...

To each their own.

Victor Bruno said...

Then why would any manager ever let a starter pitch a complete fame when winning big.

Steven Fischer said...

Victor,
Does that really happen all that often? Pitchers rarely complete games in general.
Our starters all have injury histories and haven't gone past 200 innings in a few years, it'd be in everyone's best interest to not push them when it can be avoided.

Deb F said...

Steven F, possibly if the score was within 2-3 runs Girardi never uses Rogers in that game. That is what I mean about could've, should've, would've and maybes.

Victor Bruno said...

I agree Steven F, that is why all players contribute to each game. Everyone can play a part. All a good manager can do is manage the pieces and spare parts he has to work with. That changes every season to some extent. It all comes down to the players producing when it counts that determines how many wins a team earns. Otherwise you could just declare the WS champion the team who scores the most runs during the season the best. Or maybe it is the team who allows the least runs who is best. In the end, it is the team who wins at the right time who is best.

Izy Hernandez said...

Baseball games are not played on paper, they are played on the field. The play and events on the field determine who wins each and every game.

Steven F said...

Deb F
That's why it ended up mattering that Esmil Rogers gave up 5 runs, most people here would say - well who cares we won the game, but it forced Girardi to use Betances in a situation where he normally shouldn't have. Betances ended up tiring as the season went on, there's been many discussions by the team that they want to limit his use.

Deb F said...

Steven F, I think you missed my point. You could've, should've, would've, maybe blamed Girardi for his decision on using Rogers. I don't believe in the sentence I just used because I do believe that no matter what decision a manager makes, the player used in that decision becomes valid in the eye of the beholder based on what the player does on the field. If Rogers gives up just a run or two we wouldn't be discussing this point.

Steven F. said...

Deb
I have no idea what point that I made that you're refuting.

My whole point on that game is that Chris Young hit a RBI to make it 8-1. Most people here it would seem would define that as producing when it "didn't matter". Well, it clearly did matter, as they won 8-7.

It's easy to say after the fact that a run or rbi "didn't matter", but to the players during the game, everything matters, as well it should since no one knows how the game will ultimately play out. It's easy for me to look at a box score of a 6-4 win and go, psst well they didn't need to score that 6th run, didn't matter. However during the game, it affects managers decisions, how the defense is aligned, maybe even what pitcher is brought into the game.

All production matters, in some way or another. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback and say that Player's X production during a game didn't matter, but to the team in the heat of the moment - it matters.

johnsondc said...

Steven F, Deb F, I think you two are debating two different things. The pressure when a player produces is the difference. Yes Steve, all runs matter, but the runs produced in high pressure scenarios determine the quality of players. There was no pressure on Young to knock in the 8th run. Only the events after it occurred made it out to be important. Deb, what you are saying is if the score of the game was maybe 4-1, Girardi doesn't use Rogers and the game ends 4-1. Just like in the scenario of the grand slam in the last inning increasing the team lead from 1-0 to 14-0 there is absolutely no pressure on the player hitting the grand slam and no pressure on the pitcher allowing the grand slam. Now think of the pressure on both the pitcher and batter in a 2-1 game in the bottom of the 9th, men on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. Does the pitcher or the batter produce at this point is ripe with pressure on both. Who wins the pressure battle may determine who wins the game right at that moment. Or it may go to the next batter. Hope I clarified things somewhat.

Swen Jorgenson said...

The way I have always understood the WIN METHOD as to when a player performed, it was under a pressure situation, or game defying turning situation. There could be several for each team in a highly contested game.

Steven Fischer said...

I mean, pressure situations only occur in late and close games. Are you just ignoring the contributions from the beginning of the game?

Innings 1-6 are just as important as 7-9, it just isn't as dramatic.

Fred Slube said...

When watching a game as a fan, isn't there situations in a game where you think to yourself, a hit here by your batter, or a big out from your pitcher would be really big at the time. Those are the times when producing matters most.

Steven F. said...

Fred
Sometimes. Sometimes there are games where it's a just a good team effort, weren't necessary huge moments, but just consistent production up and down the lineup and good pitching performances to back them up.

To be an important contribution, it doesn't have to be dramatic. The moments your describing are dramatic.

Fred Slube said...

Steven F, It doesn't really have to be as dramatic as you say. How about in the first inning playing your number one rival you have a man on third with no outs and you don't score. Failure, no production when it would give you the lead. It doesn't have to be late in a game, it can be at any time.

Steven F. said...

Fred
I don't know if I've often watched a game and in the first inning though - woah HUGE at-bat right here. Though I agree an RBI in the first inning is just as valuable as on in the 9th.

If that's true, aren't pretty much all at-bats outside of blowouts considered to be when it matters*. Majority of games are relatively close, and not blow outs, so then majority of stats accumulated would occur when it mattered.

Stan the Man said...

Fred, you have posted a very good illustration of when it counts in your last post.

Fred Slube said...

Steven F, i think you are far to liberal in your thinking of when it matters. Also an RBI in the 9th leading 10-0 has little to no value and is not produced when it matters.

Todd Griffin said...

I would think the first run in every game is when it matters.

AAA said...

I agree Todd.

Steven Fischer said...

I think pretty much everything matters in some regards,

Yes the extreme example you've provided is an example of a run that doesn't matter much, but honestly what percentage of stats do you think are accumulated in blow-outs?

I'd bet it's some where around 20% based on the amount of games the Yankees play in that are actual blow-outs.

Fred Slube said...

Steven F, lets say I accept your 20%, that would mean 20% of a players stats are meaningless. Take it a step further, it is very possible some players stats could be affected more or less. I'd rather stick with wins.

YankeeMike said...

Me thinks you nailed it Fred.

Ste said...

So who are the best players in baseball according to people here?

Like who would you name top 10?

Ted Lilly said...

Lets go Yankees.

Chad Greene said...

Top 10 would be very subjective. Top 10 based on what? Individual stats, helping team to playoffs, WS championships? No matter who one would pick there would be 10, 20, 30 more right there and very debatable. Are you trying to build a team by position?

Steven F said...

Well yeah, any list like that is subjective, I'm asking your opinion - or anyone really who subscribes to WINMETHOD exclusively.

Not necessarily by position, just in your opinion, who are the top players in baseball. I would think based on what I hear individual stats wouldn't play a part in those rankings.

Warren Hammond said...

You need 25 guys to make a team. You can't win with 10. If I want the best 25 in baseball last season it would be the Kansas City Royal team.

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