Saturday, October 8, 2011

WIN METHOD - WINS--determine the best

When talking to fans the question I get asked most is why wins.   A good example of WINS being the only way to determine the best players and the best teams is the first round of this years playoffs.  In all four series the team that scored less runs over the series won their playoff series.  Why, because only WINS determines who wins and who is the best.  Other stats are misleading at best and are usually meaningless in determining best.  It is not how much or how many a player or team can attain, but WHEN they attain or produce.  A quick run down.  The YANKEES scored 28 runs and the Tigers scored 17.  The Tigers won the series 3 games to 2.  The Phillies scored 21 runs and the Cardinals scored 19.  The Cardinals won the series 3 games to 2.  The Diamondbacks scored 25 runs and the Brewers scored 23.  The Brewers won the series 3 games to 2.  The Rays scored 21 runs and the Rangers scored 16 and the Rangers won the series.  Four series and the teams that scored the most runs were all eliminated.  Why???  Because it not how much or many but WHEN that determines the winner and the best.  A player who singles to win a game 3-2 in the 8th inning is far more important than a player who hits a grand slam in the 8th inning that increases his teams lead from 8-1 to 12-1.  A home run and four RBIs that are meaningless or a single and one RBI that determines a WIN, the single and the WIN are what the WIN METHOD is.  The WIN METHOD looks at WINS and winning as what determines greatness, not on how much or how many is attained while losing.  To top it all off the YANKEES who scored the most runs of any team in the playoffs were eliminated and the Rangers who scored the least runs in the playoffs won the easiest.


We have covered defensive stats in previous blog posts.  Just to recap, defensive stats are the most meaningless of any stat and are completely and totally useless.  Defensive stats are cited and used by only the most ignorant baseball fans that exist.  There are so many convoluted man made stats to try to figure out and determine the best, but they are what they are, convoluted and man made.  They determine nothing, but they do keep the stat frauds busy.  There are certain stats that are legitimate and can be used in certain ways, such batting average, RBIs, HRs, walks, strike outs, runs, stolen bases, etc.  These stats tell more about an individual players speed and power more than anything.  they cannot and do not tell you how good a player is.  Only WINS and winning can do that.  A favorite argument of the stat frauds is that if so and so played here or there they would be a winner and or if so and so played here or there they would be a loser.  In this day and age of baseball any player, if he is good enough and coveted enough, can play for almost any team he wishes.  That stat fraud argument does not fly.  It as fraudulent as the stat frauds themselves.


The YANKEES are gone from this years playoffs.  They have no one to blame but themselves, they produced more than any other team in the playoffs, but they did not produce WHEN it mattered most.  That is what determines and separates the winners from the losers.  A few adjustments will be made for next year, but the YANKEE biggest problem is a broken down steroid abuser in Alex Rodriquez and what to do with him and or where to hide him in the lineup.  I would chuck him, but that will not happen.  Hopefully he can come back and help a little.  The YANKEES did so well when he was out of the lineup and won the division easily.  When he came back the wheels seemed to come off the wagon with the black hole he created in the middle of the lineup.


Don't look for the killer B's until late next year.  The YANKEES do not usually bring along guys who have not been seasoned at the AAA level.  Look for Warren and Noesi to get a shot at the rotation or even a quality pitching acquisition during the winter.

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Steve said...

More proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that stats do not tell the story. And what story stats tell very often is misleading or outright wrong.

Alex Antonius said...

Wow! All the losers won the stats. And all the winners won with wins. Right on every time.

Erica Nuyens said...

Another great post WIN METHOD. Love ya.

Bev F said...

Thanks WIN METHOD for the blog post. It take my mind off of the playoff loss. Your blog is right on target.

Zhaire said...

WIN METHOD scores again. Right time after time.

Yankeeforever said...

Don't hear much from the stat frauds when their BS is challenged and they know they can't BS their meaningless stats.

Cory said...

I guess as tradition has it here, we root for the team that took us out. Go Tigers.

will-i-am said...

I hate stat frauds.

Dan Evans said...

I would live to have the stat guys try to rationally explain to me why they do not think the players who win are best.

Victor Gandozi said...

I've been around a long time and a baseball fan for a long time. One thing is for sure, you have to be the best to win.

Eddie OConnor said...

We have a lot to look forward to in the next few years. WIN METHOD it appears has loaded the farm system.

Frank Sergi said...

One runs games seem to be on a run in the playoffs right now.

Tony Gigante said...

WIN METHOD has been right since 2001 when Afraud first became a free agent and WIN METHOD said the fraud was not WIN METHOD. Afraud has been a cancer to this team and has been a cancer to every team he has played for.

Teena/Bronx said...

It has been a down weekend. As a Yankee fan my season ended two weeks to early.

George W said...

What scares me about stat frauds is that they would rather have a pitcher that is 10-15 with a 2.40 ERA over a pitcher with a 20-5 record and a 4.90 ERA.

RLA said...

George W...you are right, how a losing pitcher could come before a winning one is insane. Insane, being the key word, we are talking about stat frauds.

Laura Koehler said...

WIN METHOD was brilliant when he named the numbers addicts stat frauds. So right on.

Kenny Shepherd said...

When you have four series, and the team who scored the most runs in each series, loses, I guess that proves WIN METHOD right again. It not how many or how much, but when that makes the difference.

johnsondc said...

I think one of the problems with the stat frauds is they get so tied up with their fantasy picks and games and how their players performed, no have no idea what teams win and lose. Their thinking is so screwed up, they have no grasp on reality and what really matters and counts. Sad fools.

Vlad Kotenko said...

From Russia with love.

WIN METHOD said...

Welcome all Russian WIN METHOD fans and all fans from all countries around the world.

Nate Berkus said...

The stat frauds must all be busy playing games with themselves. You don't see any defending their meaningless man made stats.

Mark Wogaman said...

The playoffs are not the same without the Yankees in them.

Phil Jenkins said...

I wonder what will be on the horizon for the Yankees this winter as far as any deals are concerned.

William Mensom said...

It looks like Nolan Ryan has done a tremendous job with the Ranger pitching staff. He demands much and the players are delivering.

Yankeeforever said...

Me thinks we are in a quiet posting period.

Felix Lopez said...

From what I have seen in the playoffs so far, I have no doubt an American League team will win the World Series.

Steve said...

Come on stat frauds challenge us. Show us your losing ways.

bigbadwolf said...

Hey Steve, the stat frauds are busy conjuring up more BS formulas that are worth nothing.

Teena/Bronx said...

The 2011 sports year is over when the WS concludes. Come on spring.

Gus Papa said...

The Rangers have taken a 3-1 edge over the Tigers. But it ain't over till it's over as a great Yankee used to say.

YankeeMike said...

If the Yankees could only do something about Arod. He's killing us.

Vinny Ferrero said...

Hope Cashman doesn't try to go to crazy over the winter.

AAA said...

Just try to do best you can at fixing one perceived problem at a time.

Bob Behan said...

If one of our kids, or a trade, or a FA can step up and be a dominant number 3 behind CC and Nova, we could be very powerful in 12.

Carl Hooks said...

The least of our worries is how many games Arod can play 3rd base. Rather, how many games can he play AT ALL? This guy is breaking down and he's at the point most of these former steroid users usually get to. Hip problems, minor surgery, knee problems, minor surgery, strained ligaments, a couple weeks rest, possible minor surgery....etc., etc., etc.,

Deb F said...

Every major free agent is rumored to be coming to NY at some point, we just drive up the cost other teams pay. We will get what we need.

Eddie OConnor said...

Hope so Deb. Just as long as we don't give away any future young talent for nothing.

Frank Sergi said...

Just one quality pitcher as Bob said. And another lefty reliever.

George W said...

Sad to have to say it, but maybe Afraud will deteriorate enough that he won't be able to play. That would set us free.

Hank B said...

The Cubbies get screwed when they get Epstein from the sux, and then they also have to pay for it. Double screwed.

Ivine Bernstein said...

I think 2012 is going to be the year of the Yankees. I see big things going the Yankee way.

johnsondc said...

A lot of what happens over the winter will depend on WIN METHODs interviews with possible prospects .

Kenny Shepherd said...

I'd rather have Warren or Noesi as the fifth starter.

Linda Rice said...

Warren was really stretched in AAA. He was going great and then seemed to tire late in the season. He could really be flying well under the radar of the fools out there. could really surprise and open many eyes this spring.

Maurice Gaudeaux said...

I wonder if CC will try to milk the Yankees for more money and exercise his option.

Oakley said...

I hope CC doesn't try to milk the Yankees.

Phil Jenkins said...

CC should be fine with his current $$$, he may want to extend a year or two.

Quay Ho said...

If we extend CC 1 or 2 more years that is OK. But not any more than that.

Randy Wilson,CO said...

I don't CC is going anywhere. I think he is very happy with the Yankees organization.

Stan the Man said...

How about Montero at third base. At minimum he will be at least as good a fielder at Afraud. Plus he has to be more productive at bat.

Ty Keel said...

I can see Montero at third. At 22 he can be taught and learn much.

will-i-am said...

Montero is still young. He must have daily at bats, be it in the minors or on the big team.

Victor Gandozi said...

It will be the Texas Rangers and St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series. In my opinion, it should be a mortal lock for the Rangers in 4 or 5 games, 6 at the most.

Benny Pake said...

I agree. Texas looks much the best.

Alex Antonius said...

And at worst, Garcia and Colon are still options. Not the best options, but options never the less.

Yankeeforever said...

Watch Adam Warren this spring. It is his time. The gem that is being over looked.

johnsondc said...

I stand by what I was taught. the management on the field and in the trenches know more than any of us. They will make what they think is the best decision at any given time.

Mike Smith said...

No second guessing WIN METHOD fans. We live and die with what management does.

Ray from Boston said...

The world series starts tonight and you guys aren't in it.

Al Ashton said...

No problem Ray. We made it to the playoffs, you didn't. Your organization is collapsing and ours has been golden for a century.

YankeeMike said...

Rangers in four.

will-i-am said...

Rangers and Cards are 2-2 in the 5th.

Linda Pardo said...

Cards go 1 up with a 3-2 win. It may just be their magical season.

Ted Lilly said...

Texas evens series wuth 2-1 win.

Giambino said...

Go Rangers, lets bring the World Series back to the superior American League.

Victor Gandozi said...

All seems to be quiet on the Yankee front. Just don't do anything stupid guys.

Quay Ho said...

Bingo Victor. We have so many gems on the horizon. Don't give them away.

bigbadwolf said...

I like the idea of Montero at third. But we are still stuck with Afraud.

YankeeMike said...

As things stand right now, we should be a shoe in for the playoffs next year. Hopefully a gem will shine and it will help us to the promised land.

Steve said...

Still can't seem to get any stat frauds here to defend their corrupt meaningless useless stats.

Tom Loughlin said...

Third game of WS tonight. Texas goes for 2 in a row.

RLA said...

Do we really need an acquisition pitcher, or can we ride our farm system?

Linda Pardo said...

The Cards really clobbered the Rangers last night.

Zhaire said...

The Rangers can win it all tonight.

Yankeeforever said...

Go Rangers, bring the WS back to the AL where it belongs.

sid greenberg/nyc said...

What a game last night. Winner take all tonight. All the Rangers needed was Mo and they would be sipping champagne already.

johnsondc said...

The Cardinals are the best and their players are the best. They earned it by producing and winning WHEN it counted. Great job guys.

Steve said...

David Freese proved to be far more valuable to the cardinals than Albert Pujols be producing WHEN it mattered most.

bigbadwolf said...

A recent poll of Yankee fans was conducted and 56% of those who voted wanted arod off the tea. Something we have been saying for years here. Then again, we are well ahead of the curve at WIN METHOD.

Patricia Piper said...

Arod has to much baggage and is not a valuable member of the team. Put Montero at third as Ty Keel suggested. That would be a win win for the WIN METHOD.

Carl Hooks said...

Anytime you replace a non WIN METHOD player as Afraud with a WIN METHOD player as Montero, it has to help the team.

Al Ashton said...

Dump Arod now.

AAA said...

CC to stay a Yankee?

Bev F said...

I think so AAA. CC is good on the big stage.

sid greenberg/nyc said...

CC has accepted the Yankee offer and is staying a Yankee and for an extra year.

RLA said...

Having CC in the fold makes life easier and allows the Yanks to bargain from a stronger position.

Eugene Rico said...

Teach Montero third and chuck Arod.

Ty Keel said...

That would be fine with me Eugene. That may happen on its own when Arods body completely crumbles from the roids.

Eddie OConnor said...

I have a way of handling the Afraud situation. Trade Afraud straight up for CJ Wilson and let Montero take over third base.

bigbadwolf said...

Eddie, as a Yankee fan I would do the deal in a heartbeat. I think Texas remembers the three years they had the cancer on their team and they finished last all three years Afraud was there.

sid greenberg/nyc said...

I wouldn't think the Rangers would want to pick up arods salary, plus they have Michael Young at third. they could make arod the DH.

Steve said...

Unfortunately I think we are just going to have to play around Arod like we did last year. I just hate him taking up a roster spot.

Sharon/NC said...

I like what CC has done to help this team and stay on the biggest stage.

Erica Nuyens said...

Keep informed WIN METHOD. You have an inside track. Love ya.

Warren Hammond said...

The problem with dumping Afraud is the Yankees are paying him to be around to break Aarons career home run record. that may be hard now if Afraud continues to break down. If he can hold it together long enough to reach Aarons record, then the monetary value for the Yankees will cover the frauds salary. Sad but true.

Dan Evans said...

A good left handed reliever would be a big help. I wonder if Feliciano will be able to pitch in 2012.

William Mensom said...

There is another way to solve our pitching concerns. Yu Darvish.

johnsondc said...

If WIN METHOD says Darvish is WIN METHOD, then the Yankees will get him.

Ty Keel said...

The Japanese pitchers coming to the majors is always a question mark.

Sharon/NC said...

One of these days, a Japanese pitcher will come along and be a star. If they can produce major league hitters like Matsui and Ichiro, they can produce a great pitcher.

Steve said...

Here is an Afraud link. Not very pretty. But something we all knew here at WIN METHOD.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009...survey-testing

Quay Ho said...

When you have all the money you will ever need and you think you are all that, nothing else and nobody else matters. not even his wife and children. afraud is a disgrace.

Roger D said...

Not is only Afraud a disgrace as a person, he has disgraced himself and baseball by cheating the game.

William Mensom said...

The baggage a player has off the filed will always show up on the field and in the clubhouse. Integrity and character matter.

will-i-am said...

You don't get the name Afraud unless you earned it, and he has earned it every which way but loose.

Vladimir Tinzik said...

Afraud is a loser, dump him.

Alex Antonius said...

It looks like the Yankees have put their foot in the water for every major free agent. That will drive up the price for all of them.

Bpb Behan said...

I think we should take a shot at Darvish. Throw in Wilson and we could be very dominant.

Linda Rice said...

Don't forget an upgrade lefty reliever.

Cory said...

With what we need and who is available, we really do not have to trade any future gems.

AAA said...

I think the Yankees are sitting in the cat birds seat. We have the best minor league talent.
We have enough talent on the roster now to win another division race. What we need is out there up for grabs. Make a move with WIN METHODS approval and all should be fine.

bigbadwolf said...

Nice to see WIN METHOD fans seeing the glass as half full.

WIN METHOD said...

Hey fans, just to let you know, I will be going on an extended trip interviewing top prospects, defectors, and FA's. Somewhere around a month or so. We will get 28 in 12.

Erica Nuyens said...

Get us some good ones WIN METHOD. Love ya.

Steve said...

It sounds like hip hip Jorge is going to retire. Posada was solidly WIN METHOD.

Anonymous said...

WIN METHOD aka joek...can you stop posting hundreds of comments and talking to yourself under a bunch of different names? Thanks in advance.

YankeeMike said...

Get it done WIN METHOD. Good luck Jorge.

bigbadwolf said...

We got another fool post. Same name, anonymous. Gutless wonder losers.

Stan the Man said...

Wouldn't anonymous have to be a stat fraud. Posts inaccurate, misleading, deceitful information, and has no name........a loser.

Gus Papa said...

Anonymous demeans because he has no point and is incampable of defending one if he had. Defines LOSER.

Sharon/NC said...

One thing that non believers can never get past is that wins and winning always define the best players and teams. When they try to say differently, they only look like foolish posters.

Juan Castillo said...

Keep us in the loop if you allowed WIN METHOD. Good luck.

johnsondc said...

Anonymous sounds like a mental deviate. I guess he just can't believe so many people know more than he does.

Lee Askew said...

Anonymous is jealous since he has no friends and no one to talk to.

Carl Hooks said...

Yu Darvish is the one for

Warren Hammond said...

Looks like anonymous has run for the hills and is cowering in a cave of ignorance.

Victor Gandozi said...

I agree AAA. We are in a great position. We do not have to give up anything but money. We can walk away from any deal and still be the best.

Yankeeforever said...

Looks like the rats are jumping the bosux sinking ship. Papelbum signs with the inferior league Phillies.

Tom Loughlin said...

Cashman, when WIN METHOD says the word, get it done.

Linda Rice said...

Papelbum drops a notch, competition wise, He should have a good year in the inferior league.

Eddie OConnor said...

Get a good starter and a reliever who can handle a left handed batter in a big spot.

Vladimir Tinzik said...

The bosux look like they are headed downhill fast.

Bert Jackson said...

Keep it under control Cashman. You have all the chips. Don't get bluffed.

Steve said...

Here is a quote from one stat fraud to another in one of the baseball talk forums......""""he doesnt really make the predictions. his computer does. it often spits out weird playing time predictions based on nothing contextual or realistic""""......This was about another stat frauds stats.

You just gotta love these idiots.

Giambino said...

The sad part Steve, is that these frauds think they are on to something. Idiots is to good for them.

johnny said...

I love the Yankees.

Bev F said...

How many here have wondered why the stat frauds have to resort to excuses such as outliers, anomalies, short series, as to why their putrid stats are proved wrong every day so often.

Chad R said...

Right Bev. That is their out to everything every time their stats come up empty. Throw in made up stats and they have nothing.

Roger D said...

I agree Bev. Stat guys have excuse in the book. The WIN METHOD has never made an excuse and sees and accepts the winners as the best teams and players. It's fool proof but for the stat frauds. They are below fools.

Teena/Bronx said...

You can have the stats in the world, but they don't mean a thing unless you win.

Erica Johnston said...

Take things slow and then go all out when and if WIN METHOD determines who is best for the team to win.

Quay Ho said...

Just don't give away our future ripening on the vine.

RLA said...

Yeah, lets keep the kids and grow our own. Just get one or two pieces if the price is right.

Yankeeforever said...

If he can get another top tier WIN METHOD pitcher we can win it all in 2012.

Phil Jenkins said...

Getting back to Arod. He is still a big problem. Maybe batting him 7th or 8th would help.

Fred Slube said...

Again, we will have another year of playing around Arod. I think you are right on Phil, batting him down in the lineup would help the teams production.

will-i-am said...

Chuck Afraud

Ty Keel said...

With the bosux on the skids, making the playoffs in 2012 should be reasonably easy.

Neil Golub said...

We don't have to do anything and we could still be the best.

Bill Lee said...

So far Cashman hasn't screwed anything up. WIN METHOD will get us the goodies.

Sharon/NC said...

Happy Thanksgiving. 28 in 12.

Alex Antonius said...

Eat alot of Tom fans. All have a great day with family and friends.

Zhaire said...

Good eating all. Yes, 28 in 12.

bigbadwolf said...

Happy Thanksgiving WIN METHOD fans all around the world.

YankeeMike said...

good eating guys and gals. have a good one.

Carl Hooks said...

Happy Thanksgiving.

William Mensom said...

Be safe to all traveling this holiday and have a great Thanksgiving.

Dan Geddes,TN said...

Eat drink and be merry. Good Thanksgiving everyone.

Deb F said...

Toms in the oven. Happy Thanksgiving Yankee fans.

Victor Gandozi said...

Rise and shine it's almost turkey time. Best and safe Thanksgiving to all.

Erica Nuyens said...

Happy Thanksgiving Yankee fans and WIN METHOD wherever in the world you are. Love ya.

Ty Keel said...

Good eatings all. Happy Thanksgiving.

Hank B said...

Tom is OK, but my favorite is the pies.

will-i-am said...

Heading to my parents place for dinner. Not to far. Enjoy everyone.

Teena/Bronx said...

I have the family at my place. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Stan the Man said...

Have a great day all.

Greg Anders said...

Happy Thanksgiving.

johnsondc said...

I ate to much. Hope everyone had a great day. 28 in 12 is the goal

Izy Hernandez said...

Happy Thanksgiving, we have Garia in the fold.

Saul Irving said...

I worked Thanksgiving. Having my turkey day today.

Lou Lis said...

Freddy Garcia can't hurt and is a great hold.

Robert Mandell said...

I can live with Garcia for another year if need be. He is a pitcher and not a thrower.

Tom Loughin said...

Garcia does not hurt. Nice keep.

Eugene Rico said...

Good move resigning Garcia. He causes no problems and is a professional on and off the field.

johnny said...

The Yankees will win in 2012.

William Mensom said...

I was bored this morning, so I took some time to read about sabremetrics. These people who live by them and created them are the most arrogant people in the world. Also they are the most ignorant. They make up formulas and formulate their own rules for using them and evaluate players, and then expect the rest of the world, or let me say the more knowledgeable world to fall in lock step with their foolishness and ignorance. Thank you for letting me vent.

YankeeMike said...

I agree William, and I wouldn't be surprised if most if not everyone agrees also.

Karl Reinhart/Germany said...

I agree. The basic stats are fine for a guide. Man created by formulas are invalid and scurlulous at best.

Mark D said...

Here is what I believe about stat frauds........Sabermetrics should stick to evaluating the pinch-hit value of Miguel Cairo on a Tuesday night in Chicago with wind speeds under 12 MPH against a lefty pitcher in the 7th inning or later on an outside fastball in a 2-1 count. This way, when they’re wrong, nobody will care. Leave Derek Jeter alone, because Sabermetrics aren’t a credible way to evaluate talent and Derek Jeter is going to continue laughing all the way to the Hall of Fame.

Bert Jackson said...

Good stuff Mark.

Steve said...

Nice use of sarcasm Mark. But it does demonstrate the lunacy of the stat frauds.

Tony Gigante said...

Just think how many brain dead fans are out there on the forums spouting meaningless individual stat after meaningless individual stat.

Mike Smith said...

Garcia signing-good. Individual stat-bad. WIN METHOD-great.

Vladimir Tinzik said...

Hey Mark, throw in, when the stats don't pan out for the frauds, they cry outlier and or anomaly.

Maurice Gaudeaux said...

Outlier and anomaly don't exist at WIN METHOD. Wins and losses are very definitive, and do not deviate.

Yankeeforever said...

I googled WIN METHOD joek and got some great past posts from WIN METHOD over the past ten years from several different forums. As usual, the stat fraud opposition made fools of themselves conttinually posting that the best players do not win.

Jorge Hernandez said...

Can't wait to see who we get this off season. I like Darvish because he wouldn't cost any players.

Dan Geddes,TN said...

hopefully that is what the team will look at too. Don't give up any youngsters now until we are sure what we have. If we have to trade anyone, let it be Arod. Only problem no other team would pay him.

Felix Lopez said...

Arod is our black hole and something we will have to continually have to play around.

Bev F said...

Darvish would be my choice also, but I could live with Wilson.

Linda Pardo said...

Get it done WIN METHOD. Find us another team player who can help us win.

sid greenberg/nyc said...

Don't anyone be surprised if one of our young'ins makes a big move forward this coming spring.

bigbadwolf said...

WIN METHOD has been gone just over three weeks now. Can't wait till he posts any info he can pass along.

Jerry Curcio said...

You know he had to go to Japan somewhere along the trail.

Erica Nuyens said...

Can't wait until you get back WIN METHOD. Find us a winner. Love ya

Quay Ho said...

All's quiet before the storm.

Gus Papa said...

I bet WIN METHOD is somewhere at the winter baseball meetings.

Claude Reeves said...

Go get them WIN METHOD.

Steve said...

Everyone notice, no stat frauds for a long time now.

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